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[Suigin Trismegistus]

@Memento Mori @Suigin Trismegistus What is you guys opnion on his arguments against my claims.
He uses ad hominem, straw man, false dichotomy, red herring, fallacy of moralization and on. Also refusal of abstraction. Thats what i see in my debate book, the guy is just horrible to talk to

"What is the West"

I think @The Patriarchy is closer to the truth. My view is that most of Europe is under what is known as "managed decline", it's basically just a tax farm for elite interests to plunder as much loot from before it collapses in on itself like the old Roman Empire did. China is basically using Europe as a dumping ground to pump its own GDP, and has tricked Europe into de-industrialization, green energy and a carbon credit scheme that will likely fail. If the world as a whole is still standing in 10 years, the EU as a political entity probably won't exist at that time. It's in an extremely fragile state.

 

[MelaninWarlord]

So first you deny that China is the enemy of America, and then when we call you out on it, you turn around and tell us to cope about it. Got it.

Yes I don't take invaders seriously. Especially when your country America is supporting the genocide of innocent Palestinians in Gaza. And now ruined the politicians of Venezuela.

You don't abide by international law, but you expect other world powers to.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Yes I don't take invaders seriously. Especially when your country America is supporting the genocide of innocent Palestinians in Gaza. And now ruined the politicians of Venezuela.

You don't abide by international law, but you expect other world powers to.

None of what you state changes the fact that China is an enemy of the West, which was the original claim. It follows that the West is also an enemy of China.

Islam's doctrine is world domination and the subjugation of all non-believers in a spiritual war, and by that definition, one could argue that there is no such thing as an innocent Palestinian. Venezuela is a puppet state of China and Russia, confirmed by the fact that Cuban security forces were babysitting Maduro in exchange for oil.

The reality is that laws are a fiction. They're only useful when you can convince others to follow them. At the end of the day, might makes right, regardless of whether you or I like it or not.

 

[Apollo Tenzen]

I think @The Patriarchy is closer to the truth. My view is that most of Europe is under what is known as "managed decline", it's basically just a tax farm for elite interests to plunder as much loot from before it collapses in on itself like the old Roman Empire did. China is basically using Europe as a dumping ground to pump its own GDP, and has tricked Europe into de-industrialization, green energy and a carbon credit scheme that will likely fail. If the world as a whole is still standing in 10 years, the EU as a political entity probably won't exist at that time. It's in an extremely fragile state.

Two mistakes: imminent collapse fallacy and comparing EU with the Roman Empire.
Rome was a centralized imperial sovereignty. While the EU got made by a negotiated bureaucratic overlay. I dont get how can you consider one of the strongest economy on the planet to be weak, France itself has military bases around all continents and active French Guiana as part of the state (Literally Equator missile line). Eu means decay due to the aging population and immigration effect. But still has deep capital markets, a shit ton of reserve currencies, extreme legal frame, roman administrative capacitiy and potential for social order. Aging is not collapsing. Have a bit more of respect for us europeans.

 

[The Patriarchy]

You wont argue because you lack a model to understand reality in the first place, "evil vibes". So much for " You don't know shit stfu. Know what the fuck you are talking about before making wild claims."
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You think you think theres entire countries freaking out over Chinas "evil vibes" man. you were the one that said it first. Anyone that knows real politic not some fucktard in a flavela knows whats going on.

 

[Asgard]

Anyone who took the vaxx has been earmarked for death.

I've made a covenant with death already (3 shots in total). Deep down, I'm an accelerationist.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Two mistakes: imminent collapse fallacy and comparing EU with the Roman Empire.
Rome was a centralized imperial sovereignty. While the EU got made by a negotiated bureaucratic overlay. I dont get how can you consider one of the strongest economy on the planet to be weak, France itself has military bases around all continents and active French Guiana as part of the state (Literally Equator missile line). Eu means decay due to the aging population and immigration effect. But still has deep capital markets, a shit ton of reserve currencies, extreme legal frame, roman administrative capacitiy and potential for social order. Aging is not collapsing. Have a bit more of respect for us europeans.

I have plenty of respect for Europeans, despite the fact that I believe the EU will collapse as a failed experiment doesn't mean individual European countries won't continue to persist and perhaps even flourish. But hard times are coming first.

My prediction is based on following the capital markets, and the shit happening in gold and silver right now is indicative of that. The fact that most people are completely oblivious to the consequences of the price changes in precious metals proves the point that much of the world is sleepwalking into disaster. The Euro has lost 200% of its purchasing power against gold in the past year and 300% against silver in the past 6 months. So has the US dollar. The world is playing musical chairs and there aren't a lot of chairs left. We'll know maybe in a few months. UBS and/or Deutsche Bank with their silver short positions may not survive and the contagion will spread.

 

[The Patriarchy]

I dont get how can you consider one of the strongest economy on the planet to be weak,

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Two mistakes: imminent collapse fallacy and comparing EU with the Roman Empire.
Rome was a centralized imperial sovereignty. While the EU got made by a negotiated bureaucratic overlay. I dont get how can you consider one of the strongest economy on the planet to be weak, France itself has military bases around all continents and active French Guiana as part of the state (Literally Equator missile line). Eu means decay due to the aging population and immigration effect. But still has deep capital markets, a shit ton of reserve currencies, extreme legal frame, roman administrative capacitiy and potential for social order. Aging is not collapsing. Have a bit more of respect for us europeans.
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USA Nuclear Subs: 67
Europe: 18. I was expecting 9. It appears i was told their ballistic missile, nuclear deterrent subs only

 

[Apollo Tenzen]

I have plenty of respect for Europeans, despite the fact that I believe the EU will collapse as a failed experiment doesn't mean individual European countries won't continue to persist and perhaps even flourish. But hard times are coming first.

My prediction is based on following the capital markets, and the shit happening in gold and silver right now is indicative of that. The fact that most people are completely oblivious to the consequences of the price changes in precious metals proves the point that much of the world is sleepwalking into disaster. The Euro has lost 200% of its purchasing power against gold in the past year and 300% against silver in the past 6 months. So has the US dollar. The world is playing musical chairs and there aren't a lot of chairs left. We'll know maybe in a few months. UBS and/or Deutsche Bank with their silver short positions may not survive and the contagion will spread.

Normies dont know nothing about anything anyway, like how the blackpill turned mainstead and labed as looksmaxxing, the same thing happens in finance.
Ho yeah i heard that on youtube, but you know that gold prices are not related to purchasing power collapse right. What about bound markets, seizing payment systems, freezing credit. You should take a second look at the system like a institutional analyist.

Also this is not like the 2008 situation right, its post 2008, meaning it knows how to backstop, liquefy losses and so on. You argue on bank damage instead of instutitional destruction, also the financial system reprice, redistributes and dilutes instead of "running out chairs".

Again its decay.

 

[Apollo Tenzen]

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USA Nuclear Subs: 67
Europe: 18. I was expecting 9. It appears i was told their ballistic missile, nuclear deterrent subs only

I already mentioned this hours ago, the war on Russia x Ukraine is made up, look at game theory.
"-Ukraine is a proxy war for population purge, to serve the jews."


You can even call it just a proxy war to fuck russia long term.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

What about bound markets

Confidence in sovereign debt (bonds) is low and will get far worse. Many bank analysts have advised to switch from a 60/40 portfolio to a 60/20/20 portfolio, diversifying away from bonds and into gold.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/morgan-stanley-cio-favors-602020-portfolio-strategy-with-gold-inflation-hedge-2025-09-16/

Smart money is taking that as a signal to get 100% out of bonds and go into gold and other hard assets.

seizing payment systems, freezing credit. You should take a second look at the system like a institutional analyist.

Those actions, along with price controls are exactly what erodes market confidence in the system and leads to capital flight.

How many millionaires have fled Europe in the past year? Everyone who is able to is getting a second passport and moving their money into safer banking regimes. They know what's coming.

Wealth consultancy points to exodus of millionaires from Western Europe

High-net-worth individuals have been turning their backs on Western Europe in favour of more attractive destinations. That is one of the key insights of the 2025 Private Wealth Migration Report by…

brusselssignal.eu

 

[The Patriarchy]

You can even call it just a proxy war to fuck russia long term.

Proxy war where you pay russia 213 B euros.
I want europe to declare one of these proxy wars on the USA

 

[MelaninWarlord]

None of what you state changes the fact that China is an enemy of the West, which was the original claim. It follows that the West is also an enemy of China.

Islam's doctrine is world domination and the subjugation of all non-believers in a spiritual war, and by that definition, one could argue that there is no such thing as an innocent Palestinian. Venezuela is a puppet state of China and Russia, confirmed by the fact that Cuban security forces were babysitting Maduro in exchange for oil.

The reality is that laws are a fiction. They're only useful when you can convince others to follow them. At the end of the day, might makes right, regardless of whether you or I like it or not.

You think you think theres entire countries freaking out over Chinas "evil vibes" man. you were the one that said it first. Anyone that knows real politic not some fucktard in a flavela knows whats going on.

I've made a covenant with death already (3 shots in total). Deep down, I'm an accelerationist.

Taiwan is an inalienable part of China.

 

[Apollo Tenzen]

what about you @Memento Mori

 

[The Patriarchy]

Taiwan is an inalienable part of China.

China never had Taiwan

 

[MelaninWarlord]

China never had Taiwan

Where is your proof. Sure the natives are Austronesians, but after the Dutch settled it, Chinese immigrants came and now make up the dominant population

 

[The Patriarchy]

Where is your proof. Sure the natives are Austronesians, but after the Dutch settled it, Chinese immigrants came and now make up the dominant population

Only if you believe in one china.
I believe in two chinas.
Taiwan is the real china Mainland is commie garbage

 

[MelaninWarlord]

Only if you believe in one china.
I believe in two chinas.
Taiwan is the real china Mainland is commie garbage

Just because of its political system ?
Way to judge a book by its cover

 

[The Patriarchy]

Just because of its political system ?
Way to judge a book by its cover

No because communist destroyed its art culture and traditions its humanity.
The real Chinese that did not throw it all away fled to Taiwan

 

[MelaninWarlord]

No because communist destroyed its art culture and traditions its humanity.
The real Chinese that did not throw it all away fled to Taiwan

They needed to do that in order to industrialize. If they kept those artifacts like you mentioned then people would be backwards and kept in the past. It's a sacrifice that had to be made.

You cherish these things about Chinese culture but it was Europeans that caused it to be destroyed.

 

[MelaninWarlord]

Plus Japan as well.

 

[MelaninWarlord]

When your attacked by sociopathic dark triad Anglos obviously your gonna have to become ruthless in order to survive.

Right @Asgard

No because communist destroyed its art culture and traditions its humanity.
The real Chinese that did not throw it all away fled to Taiwan

 

[Apollo Tenzen]

Confidence in sovereign debt (bonds) is low and will get far worse. Many bank analysts have advised to switch from a 60/40 portfolio to a 60/20/20 portfolio, diversifying away from bonds and into gold.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/morgan-stanley-cio-favors-602020-portfolio-strategy-with-gold-inflation-hedge-2025-09-16/

Smart money is taking that as a signal to get 100% out of bonds and go into gold and other hard assets.

Those actions, along with price controls are exactly what erodes market confidence in the system and leads to capital flight.

How many millionaires have fled Europe in the past year? Everyone who is able to is getting a second passport and moving their money into safer banking regimes. They know what's coming.

Wealth consultancy points to exodus of millionaires from Western Europe

High-net-worth individuals have been turning their backs on Western Europe in favour of more attractive destinations. That is one of the key insights of the 2025 Private Wealth Migration Report by…

brusselssignal.eu

There are several flaws again in these arguments. Markets have rules, states dont have emotions. Study:
-institutional economics
-Monetary eco
- political economy (states respond to internal incentives first, not blood revenge from centuries ago, if this was true, Brazil would had invaded Portugal.)
-comparative political Institutions (europe is not a single actor)
-risk management, portfolio theory
hHistorical method "The Historical Method in finance, primarily used for calculating Value at Risk (VaR), estimates potential future losses by analyzing past market data, assuming history repeats itself"
-systems Theory like game theory.


These are the stuff i found that can be help you out on your finance studies, i reverse enginner college fields and study trough books.

 

[Asgard]

When your attacked by sociopathic dark triad Anglos obviously your gonna have to become ruthless in order to survive.

Just join the Ant people before 2029. Meanwhile, I'm going to get literally torn apart by the forces of oceanic water.

 

[MelaninWarlord]

Are we gonna ignore the Vietnam war, the Korean war, the nukes in Japan, the attacks on Phillipines when it claimed independence from Spain?

There was even a parade in a zoo in USA where Filipinos were displayed like a zoo animal to dehumanize them