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So a lower plane
Dude calls it first heaven and you use it as an excuse to call it a lower plane because other heavens are higher
he's right
I would have agreed but that's not what you indicated. I was thinking I was letting you promote your bramha centric sanpradiya without contradiction
I'm not a Brahmin only share a cosmology that is similar throughout many religions
I thought you were speaking on the basis of a sanpradiya that believes this world is a lesser heaven and bramhaloka is the highest heaven
I was but in Kaliyuga this is under influence of hell and it's objectively a lower realm
Some believe there can be a golden age within kali yuga and some kaliyugas are kinda good.
I never thought about it like that
@newsincerity Don't 'Hmm?' me, it will be Hell.
In this realm on this earth, I don't think so no. Though we have done a great job of reflecting hell.
