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When I was indoctrinated with the semitic lies of christianity, I remember distinctly what they were doing was giving me the questions, obviously they also give you the platitude answer and ask you to memorize it.

But whats more curious to me is observing how the semitic lies tend to make you raise doubts and give you questions more than answers.

Everything they say is a lie, and at times the way they frame a question contains 8 or 9 lies but they spent maybe 4 or 5 words to compose their sentence.

Why is modernity spiritually empty? This is one of their false premises and false questions. They inflict it on you, and they have to teach you all the emotional posturing and gestures and do gimmick theatrics to plagiarize all your senses, and repeat the word "modernity" a number of times enough so that you believe its "serious shit" and they have to put the word "modernity" in the mouth of "credible scholars" dressed with authoritative clothing.

Why do atheists secretly hate God? They have to repeat the word "atheist" in multiple contexts, and use it as the equivalent of a slander, and they need you to be habituated to do the 2 minute hate session, and all the info you know about "atheist" has to be controlled by them. The way they frame "the atheist" and the way is narrated guides you towards accepting lies you would have not accepted otherwise. For all we know atheists could even be fake, and certainly the people described by christian liars do not exist in reality. There are people self described "atheist" but if you pay attention they rarely express what a christian liar could frame as "hate".

Why can’t science explain morality? Easy. Usually they reject any sort of interpretation and then after they rejected everything, they impose on you the "final solution" which is to believe the semitic superstition. After they reject every single one of the explanations given to them, they say "look, nobody has an answer, only we have an answer".

Why are people depressed despite progress? Because christians work tirelessly to depress them and install artificial persuasions into people minds, so that after being traumatized by electronic celebrities who slander them, they will be persuaded to follow the semitic superstition as "solution to all manufactured problems". Also observe how they frame "progress". Observe how they frame "being depressed", they invent it if they need to.

Once someone accepts the semitic liar superstitious framing, the approved conclusion feels natural. All contradictions are manufactured, I dont think someone who listened to semitic lies learned anything true in his entire life. Modernity vs meaning is false. Reason vs faith is false. Science vs religion is false. Fight against nihilism is false. Jung vs freud is false, and on this one in particular I still ask myself why the youth believes it do they not learn from history? We had this debate for half a century are they unable to notice or the first time an eceleb introduces them they dont care to research it?

All what ecelebs on the internet introduce young people to is known, and we had these discussions already. When Jordan Peterson entered the public sphere, it was for me like hearing a recorded message, he was repeating all these false premise false conclusions false question false answer. I live in italy, I already heard this stuff. I already know how you will conclude your false framing. I already have exp with this sort of debate. My HS teachers were already priming us with the false opposites, they used delphi method on us, they subjected us to intellectuals social status.

I have decades of incel experience. But what makes me curious is why the current youth is so passive, why they do not notice all they are being fed is old and it takes so little effort to crush all ecelebs, they are far less intelligent than the intelllectuals I dealt with when I was younger.
 
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When I was indoctrinated with the semitic lies of christianity, I remember distinctly what they were doing was giving me the questions, obviously they also give you the platitude answer and ask you to memorize it.

But whats more curious to me is observing how the semitic lies tend to make you raise doubts and give you questions more than answers.

Everything they say is a lie, and at times the way they frame a question contains 8 or 9 lies but they spent maybe 4 or 5 words to compose their sentence.

Why is modernity spiritually empty? This is one of their false premises and false questions. They inflict it on you, and they have to teach you all the emotional posturing and gestures and do gimmick theatrics to plagiarize all your senses, and repeat the word "modernity" a number of times enough so that you believe its "serious shit" and they have to put the word "modernity" in the mouth of "credible scholars" dressed with authoritative clothing.

Why do atheists secretly hate God? They have to repeat the word "atheist" in multiple contexts, and use it as the equivalent of a slander, and they need you to be habituated to do the 2 minute hate session, and all the info you know about "atheist" has to be controlled by them. The way they frame "the atheist" and the way is narrated guides you towards accepting lies you would have not accepted otherwise. For all we know atheists could even be fake, and certainly the people described by christian liars do not exist in reality. There are people self described "atheist" but if you pay attention they rarely express what a christian liar could frame as "hate".

Why can’t science explain morality? Easy. Usually they reject any sort of interpretation and then after they rejected everything, they impose on you the "final solution" which is to believe the semitic superstition. After they reject every single one of the explanations given to them, they say "look, nobody has an answer, only we have an answer".

Why are people depressed despite progress? Because christians work tirelessly to depress them and install artificial persuasions into people minds, so that after being traumatized by electronic celebrities who slander them, they will be persuaded to follow the semitic superstition as "solution to all manufactured problems". Also observe how they frame "progress". Observe how they frame "being depressed", they invent it if they need to.

Once someone accepts the semitic liar superstitious framing, the approved conclusion feels natural. All contradictions are manufactured, I dont think someone who listened to semitic lies learned anything true in his entire life. Modernity vs meaning is false. Reason vs faith is false. Science vs religion is false. Fight against nihilism is false. Jung vs freud is false, and on this one in particular I still ask myself why the youth believes it do they not learn from history? We had this debate for half a century are they unable to notice or the first time an eceleb introduces them they dont care to research it?

All what ecelebs on the internet introduce young people to is known, and we had these discussions already. When Jordan Peterson entered the public sphere, it was for me like hearing a recorded message, he was repeating all these false premise false conclusions false question false answer. I live in italy, I already heard this stuff. I already know how you will conclude your false framing. I already have exp with this sort of debate. My HS teachers were already priming us with the false opposites, they used delphi method on us, they subjected us to intellectuals social status.

I have decades of incel experience. But what makes me curious is why the current youth is so passive, why they do not notice all they are being fed is old and it takes so little effort to crush all ecelebs, they are far less intelligent than the intelllectuals I dealt with when I was younger.
Alright let me get this straight...

Modernity vs meaning, fake.

Reason vs faith, fake.

Jung vs Freud, fake.

Depression is manufactured?(I can get behind this if you mean depression is inflicted apon us)

Atheists might not even exist?

Please help me get my noggin jogging please.
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Please help me get my noggin jogging please.
What I presented is just examples and what I wrote is the tip of the iceberg.

Maybe for you all I write is nonsense but I have decades of experience on these topics. I did not get introduced on the internet like most people. I was introduced to all of this when I was born. And I done 8 years of latin, 5 of greek, + 5 years course history of philosophy 3 years dante, + 2 years manzoni in HS basically I done humanities standard education.

In the humanities we people learn these debates, we know them inside out and we are introed to the higher tier variant compared to jordan peterson or nick fuentes.

Maybe for you is different and you got them on the internet. I got them in real life. And I can tell you that in my generation it was far far harder to tackle these topics because intellectuals are several times more intelligent than electronic celebrities. So what surprises me the most is despite ecelebs are so stupid, people believe their lies more. Instead when we dealt with intellectuals we disbelieved them and tried to challenge them.

The internet public instead is terribly passive, and to me is astonishing. They have the advantage, but they choose to believe in all these lies and false framing of reality, false opposites, false premises, manufactured conclusions and prophecies. But the means to dispel the lies were never easier to use. And our adversaries are also weaker than ever before. Ecelebs like peterson or fuentes or whatever, theyre dumb, theyre weak, yet despite of that they have effects in society that no intellectual ever had, people believe all they say.
 
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What I presented is just examples and what I wrote is the tip of the iceberg.

Maybe for you all I write is nonsense but I have decades of experience on these topics. I did not get introduced on the internet like most people. I was introduced to all of this when I was born. And I done 8 years of latin, 5 of greek, + 5 years course history of philosophy 3 years dante, + 2 years manzoni in HS basically I done humanities standard education.

In the humanities we people learn these debates, we know them inside out and we are introed to the higher tier variant compared to jordan peterson or nick fuentes.

Maybe for you is different and you got them on the internet. I got them in real life. And I can tell you that in my generation it was far far harder to tackle these topics because intellectuals are several times more intelligent than electronic celebrities. So what surprises me the most is despite ecelebs are so stupid, people believe their lies more. Instead when we dealt with intellectuals we disbelieved them and tried to challenge them.

The internet public instead is terribly passive, and to me is astonishing. They have the advantage, but they choose to believe in all these lies and false framing of reality, false opposites, false premises, manufactured conclusions and prophecies. But the means to dispel the lies were never easier to use. And our adversaries are also weaker than ever before. Ecelebs like peterson or fuentes or whatever, theyre dumb, theyre weak, yet despite of that they have effects in society that no intellectual ever had, people believe all they say.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt clearly, I'm not mocking , I'm reading what you put out and asking follow up question that's it, truth doesn't fear scrutiny can we agree on that?
 
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I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt clearly, I'm not mocking , I'm reading what you put out and asking follow up question that's it, truth doesn't fear scrutiny can we agree on that?
I dont fear any scrutiny.

Perhaps some of my framing will be dumb, like I will quote anime or myth and fairy tales and stories from D&D like a redditor but Im ready.

Also once you learn the patterns of these false framing false question and false answer, it really does looks astonishingly stupid.

I also fell for it myself, so im not at all blaming someone for falling for these tricks. For instance, I fell for the based islam meme when i was around 17, at the time i was full of incel hatred.

Or, I fell for the meme we have to enslave humanity. Only that instead of be communist I realized communism isnt tyrannical enough so I was promoting catholic church, which is far more cruel to inflict on normies. Fell for it. I can admit it and it does not shames me at all. Im a human like anyone else I got emotional cycles like anyone else.

Simply, I was able to wake up later, and felt a bit of shame but not much. I dont blame myself if I fall for 1 or 2 lies, whats relevant is I fix them.
 
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You are more then welcome to use anime,media, games or what have you to get your memetic meaning across that's natural and how many humans communicate.
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I don't feel like your engaging with what I'm saying right now so idk man...
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I don't feel like your engaging with what I'm saying right now so idk man...
Your message boils down to repeating the idea all internet people are pseuds and we dont know what we are saying and we believe our brain is very big but we are stupid... Ok bro I dont give a shit.

Also your attitude isnt even wrong, because is true im a megalomaniac, is true I usually approach any topic with dunning kruger, literally every single hobby I ever approached I always had the dunning kruger phase. I dont care much, bcause dunning kruger does not last, and soon I will see how much im lacking in the hobby, and it never harmed me to have overconfidence.

I think in matters like politics you often deal with situation where you cannot know all, and you have to do decisions anyway. You deal with hazard games, so overconfidence isnt all that bad if you put it in this context.

Many times I cannot "debunk" the intellectual, so I use my dunning kruger effect and simply move forth without hesitating, trusting my schizo instincts. My schizo instincts arent even all powerful, but they showed to be accurate more than random coin flipping.

Also, yes I do genuinely see myself as superior compared to jordan peterson, and I have a great arrogance. You should see me in real life, the way I treat people who have his posture, I think its hilarious for others around me. When I was in HS I treated teachers like dogs, and I was enraged if anyone dared to talk to me like a moralizer moron. I got an enormous pride.

So go ahead, dont giva fuck if im pseud on the internet. You that meme has any effect on me? You will see, very soon, it has zero effect. Also I seen it so many times.
 
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False premise false conclusions false question false answer, false senses constructed thru demoralizing narrative.

Only thing "coherent" is aesthetics. The mood, the vibe, the framing and ways in which people feel and the emotional rationalizations are "true" in a sense. The single issues as described by the narrator, the various vibes they reference, that can be real.

Doom > relief, confusion > resolution thru narrative. It will also be socially consistent in your environment. Imagine you join a group that talks about accelerationism, criticism of the west, modernity, makes you read giulio ebola, everyone takes it "seriously" and you are given a sense of gravitas around these false notions.

Its equivalent of entering D&D like I did, and I could use the LORE and build emotionally compelling arguments within small circles of people who share my same feels and my same inclinations.

Doesnt means D&D is true, I go out of a nerd shop, and I cannot bring in society this stuff without being mocked. Also, inside the nerd shop theres multiple lores, not only one, and someone else may be into warhammer.

On the internet you get these vibes and you come to think serious face = "this is what a serious thinker sounds like". Believe me its nothing more than a posture.

They do metaphor, reason thru analogy, allow your moral intuition to fill gaps, and the more vague their ideas are the more your mind creates compensation around it, and you engage fantasy to bulid ideas of your own, so you wlil come to think you had all these BS copes arise naturally and you came up with it on your own.

After Jordan Peterson (or equivalently as dishonest manipulator) swindles you with christianity, you will think oh my god this interpretation totally resolved the emotional tension. You were made to feel bad, kinda doomery, kinda angered at times. What he (the narrator) did to you was leading you into a trap.

You can repeat the framing, talk of decay, women who fucks dogs, onlyfans, repeat repeat, and use the jargon from the false sociology of modernity which creates illusion of authority, and "already heard = true". People are also persuaded waaay more if ideas are printed on paper gives some sense of "this is authoritative" or if some guy from academia says it "therefore is real". And what if there are large intellectual currents in academia? Its all the more real, it feels all real.

I think is easy to fall for the trap of thinking modernity nonsense is other than nonsense.
 
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