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<blockquote data-quote="Ultimate Subhuman" data-source="post: 55885" data-attributes="member: 116">The only difference I can see here is Utility. Regardless of the utility you present to a given society your still as human.A cow can present more utility than a guy wheelchair in the fact that it can plow fields, fertilize fields, produce milk that we drink, or just give us meat to eat.The guy in the wheelchair is gonna be way more valuable regardless just for the simple fact of being human.I think I wrote about this somewhere else so Im just gonna copy paste what I said, this is on Value&quot;Being simply Human gives you inherent value. Yet it is in conjunct with sentience &amp; conscious experience of course. Not equal, just in conjuctHuman Identity &gt; Consciousness &gt;= Sentience/SapienceAm I going to give a Fetus - a living member of the Human species Moral value despite not being conscious or having a (albeit) &quot;low level&quot; of sentience? Yes, as I give a person in comotose them same ( MVS or PVS ); or a person of equivalent sentience or cognitive ability/structure; or one even in death the same. ( Desecration of graves/burials is Immoral. )Well, not the SAME in Death (Not worth as much as a human life) ; But you understand I&#039;d still morally value this over a living animal. &quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ultimate Subhuman, post: 55885, member: 116"] The only difference I can see here is Utility. Regardless of the utility you present to a given society your still as human. A cow can present more utility than a guy wheelchair in the fact that it can plow fields, fertilize fields, produce milk that we drink, or just give us meat to eat. The guy in the wheelchair is gonna be way more valuable regardless just for the simple fact of being human. I think I wrote about this somewhere else so Im just gonna copy paste what I said, this is on Value "Being simply Human gives you inherent value. Yet it is in conjunct with sentience & conscious experience of course. Not equal, just in conjuct [B]Human Identity[/B] > [B]Consciousness[/B] >= [B]Sentience[/B]/[B]Sapience[/B] Am I going to give a Fetus - a living member of the Human species Moral value despite not being conscious or having a (albeit) "low level" of sentience? Yes, as I give a person in comotose them same ( MVS or PVS ); or a person of equivalent sentience or cognitive ability/structure; or one even in death the same. ( Desecration of graves/burials is Immoral. ) [SIZE=1]Well, not the SAME in Death (Not worth as much as a human life) ; But you understand I'd still morally value this over a living animal. "[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]

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