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<blockquote data-quote="Apollo Tenzen" data-source="post: 39267" data-attributes="member: 271">In it he claims that Western Civilisation and secularism ultimately owe themselves to Christianity.I was gifted the book for Christmas, so have only skimmed the first few pages. However, I did listen to Holland on The Rest is Politics, where he called Alastair Campbell a christian even though he is a self proclaimed atheist. I found it borderline offensive quite honestly.I quite like Holland and enjoy his history podcast, but I really don&#039;t understand his argument here. It seems to me that he suggests everything that is good about Western society (human rights etc) are exclusively Christian.I mean, of course our society is influenced by Christian values, but so what? Whenever I see Holland asked a difficult question he always just says &#039;I&#039;m a historian, it&#039;s not my job to say what is right or wrong&#039;. Feels like a cop out. He claims to be an Atheist, but for some reason acts as an apologist to the Church and seems to deny all their atrocities and claims that the reason we even recognise their misdeeds as atrocities is because of Christian values.Just seems like a load of nonsense. Interested to hear other people&#039;s thoughts from this sub and would have loved to hear Hitch&#039;s take.[Link to a debate where Holland addresses some of his points from the book: [MEDIA=youtube]7eSyz3BaVK8[/MEDIA]]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Apollo Tenzen, post: 39267, member: 271"] In it he claims that Western Civilisation and secularism ultimately owe themselves to Christianity. I was gifted the book for Christmas, so have only skimmed the first few pages. However, I did listen to Holland on The Rest is Politics, where he called Alastair Campbell a christian even though he is a self proclaimed atheist. I found it borderline offensive quite honestly. I quite like Holland and enjoy his history podcast, but I really don't understand his argument here. It seems to me that he suggests everything that is good about Western society (human rights etc) are exclusively Christian. I mean, of course our society is influenced by Christian values, but so what? Whenever I see Holland asked a difficult question he always just says 'I'm a historian, it's not my job to say what is right or wrong'. Feels like a cop out. He claims to be an Atheist, but for some reason acts as an apologist to the Church and seems to deny all their atrocities and claims that the reason we even recognise their misdeeds as atrocities is because of Christian values. Just seems like a load of nonsense. Interested to hear other people's thoughts from this sub and would have loved to hear Hitch's take. [Link to a debate where Holland addresses some of his points from the book: [MEDIA=youtube]7eSyz3BaVK8[/MEDIA]] [/QUOTE]

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