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<blockquote data-quote="Apollo Tenzen" data-source="post: 39268" data-attributes="member: 271">I agree, this is very Euro-American centric belief that somehow &quot;we are the world&quot; and completely ignore the other 60%.Morality, that vague personalized interpretation of right of wrong, that has existed since the beginning of time. Even enfant babies have they&#039;re own belief that they should be nursed and fed. That&#039;s all that morality is anyways. Our personal belief that WE should be treated in manner that favors our selfish needs, and even that&#039;s not enough. To satisfy our emotional desires to be loved and respected we refer to those morality codes as being noble and deserving of praise, when really they&#039;re just a bunch of fabricated bull shit we tell ourselves and others.All the while we have never assigned that same respect to any other living beings. And why? Because we don&#039;t see them as equals and because largely we are no longer threatened by them. Short answer; we are not forced to.I enjoy Christopher Hitchens and many other atheists but none of them have ever has given me any more reason to be atheist than I already have. There&#039;s no proof and until there is, I won&#039;t waste time hypothesizing. Even if somehow the religious could span that great chasm and prove there is an actual supreme being that created the Universe, it would still be billions of light years away for their argument that it was &quot;their supreme being&quot; or that it had any interest in us. AND THEN even if we were to find out that there was a supreme being that was interested in us, there would be just as equally great distance to go prove that it wish to worshipped and demanded our eternal devotion and eternal souls. AND THEN, if even we were able to prove that this &#039;god&#039; created us and demands unconditional love and idolatry, who intentionally created us to be flawed and demands we apologize to for those flaws it gave us, and will punish with eternal fiery pain, cannot ever be considered to be &quot;good&quot;. How that kind of God could ever be considered good, is actually the strongest part of my argument that all morality is a 100% subjective rationalization for us to get what we want. And that is MY &quot;vague personalized interpretation of right of wrong&quot;.I am my own GOD, and when I die, so will MY universe</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Apollo Tenzen, post: 39268, member: 271"] I agree, this is very Euro-American centric belief that somehow "we are the world" and completely ignore the other 60%. Morality, that vague personalized interpretation of right of wrong, that has existed since the beginning of time. Even enfant babies have they're own belief that they should be nursed and fed. That's all that morality is anyways. Our personal belief that WE should be treated in manner that favors our selfish needs, and even that's not enough. To satisfy our emotional desires to be loved and respected we refer to those morality codes as being noble and deserving of praise, when really they're just a bunch of fabricated bull shit we tell ourselves and others. All the while we have never assigned that same respect to any other living beings. And why? Because we don't see them as equals and because largely we are no longer threatened by them. Short answer; we are not forced to. I enjoy Christopher Hitchens and many other atheists but none of them have ever has given me any more reason to be atheist than I already have. There's no proof and until there is, I won't waste time hypothesizing. Even if somehow the religious could span that great chasm and prove there is an actual supreme being that created the Universe, it would still be billions of light years away for their argument that it was "their supreme being" or that it had any interest in us. AND THEN even if we were to find out that there was a supreme being that was interested in us, there would be just as equally great distance to go prove that it wish to worshipped and demanded our eternal devotion and eternal souls. AND THEN, if even we were able to prove that this 'god' created us and demands unconditional love and idolatry, who intentionally created us to be flawed and demands we apologize to for those flaws it gave us, and will punish with eternal fiery pain, cannot ever be considered to be "good". How that kind of God could ever be considered good, is actually the strongest part of my argument that all morality is a 100% subjective rationalization for us to get what we want. And that is MY "vague personalized interpretation of right of wrong". I am my own GOD, and when I die, so will MY universe [/QUOTE]

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