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<blockquote data-quote="deaf_judger" data-source="post: 69112" data-attributes="member: 390"><p><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">[PLAIN]Introduction[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p> [PLAIN]A common contemporary holds that art at its core is self-expression. On this view, the primary goal of the artist is to externalize inner feeling and whatever authenticity emerges counts as art. However expression alone is insufficient.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> </p><p> [PLAIN]The argument, then, is not against emotion in art, but against the false opposition between emotion and structure. Emotion is already structured cognition. Art succeeds when it preserves and communicates that structure.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">[PLAIN]Define Terms[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">[PLAIN]Structure[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p> [PLAIN]Structure refers to the intelligible organization that makes a work legible. It includes:</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Internal consistency<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Persistence of identity(characters remain themselves across time)<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Causal or emotional progression<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Non-contradiction<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Recognizable motivational logic<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> </ul><p> [PLAIN]Structure is the framework that allows meaning to emerge. </p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">[PLAIN]Emotion[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p> [PLAIN]Emotion is often mistaken for a chaotic discharge, a raw surge of feeling. But this is innacurate. Emotion is patterened evaluation of reality. It contains components such as:</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Recognition of loss<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Attribution of agency<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Perception of boundary violation<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Attachment<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Anticipation of harm<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> </ul><p> [PLAIN]Emotion is a structured response to meaning.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">[PLAIN]Emotion Requires Structure[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p> [PLAIN]Consider basic emotional forms:</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Sadness =recognition of valued loss<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Anger = perceived violation by an agent.<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Fear = anticipated threat<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> </ul><p></p><p> [PLAIN]Remove persistence of identity, stable objects, or causal relations, and the categories sadness, anger, and fear dissolve into undifferentiated affect. emotion cannot coherently arise. If there is no persistent self, no identifiable object, no causal relation, then sadness, anger, and fear collapse into incoherence.</p><p> Emotion therefore presupposes structure. It is structured cognition before it is expression.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">[PLAIN]Transmission Requires Shared Structure[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p> [PLAIN]Why do audiences cry at tragedies across centuries and cultures?</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]In Othello, we see progressive causal manipulation by Iago. In Eighty-Six, young soldiers confront disposability, prejudice, and morality. The settings differ radically. The cultural distance is vast. Yet audiences respond emotionally in both cases.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]Why?</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]Because the underlying emotional structures are shared:</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Attachment<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Mortality<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Loss<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Regret<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Betrayal<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> </ul><p> [PLAIN]We recognize these patterns because they are stable features of human evaluation.</p><p> If art were purely private discharge, a language only the creator understands, empathy would be impossible. . Transmissibility depends on structural overlap between artist and audience.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">[PLAIN]Incoherence Breaks Emotional Mapping[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p> [PLAIN]When a work lacks:</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Motivational consistency<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Causal continuity<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Psychological plausibility<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> </ul><p></p><p> [PLAIN]the audience cannot construct a predictive model of what is happening. Narrative comprehension relies on expectation: we track intentions, infer consequences, and simulate outcomes.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]When predictive modeling collapses:</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Identification collapses.<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Emotional investment collapses.<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> </ul><p></p><p> [PLAIN]This explains why certain fantasy works succeed while others fail. In The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, the world is imaginary, but the emotional logic is stable. Courage costs something. Temptation has consequences. Loyalty binds characters across danger. The invented setting obeys internally coherent rules.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]By contrast, works that contradict their own internal logic where characters act without motive or consequences vanish arbitrarily feel hollow. The issue is not imagination. It is incoherence.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">[PLAIN]What About Raw “Vent” Art?[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p> [PLAIN]A strong opposing view deserves fair treatment. Some argue:</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Art is emotional discharge.<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Authenticity matters more than form.<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Shaping dilutes truth.<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> </ul><p> [PLAIN]There is insight here. Raw emotion may be psychologically real. Unfiltered expression can be cathartic for the creator. But catharsis is obviously not communication. Without shaping, emotion remains private. Art requires transformation into intelligible form. The sculptor does not invent marble, but carving makes it meaningful. Likewise:</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Material ≠ art.<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[PLAIN]Processing creates art.<br /> [/PLAIN]<br /> </li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">[PLAIN]Chaos Can Still Be Structured[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p> [PLAIN]The argument is not that art must appear orderly. Some works look chaotic yet possess deep structural coherence.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]In Guernica, fragmentation and distortion convey horror, but the emotional logic of suffering, violence, and anguish remains consistent.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]In Evangelion, psychological fragmentation is central to the narrative, yet the breakdown itself follows intelligible emotional trajectories.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]Surface disorder is not structural incoherence. Genuine incoherence occurs when no stable evaluative pattern can be discerned at all.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">[PLAIN]Conclusion[/PLAIN]</span></strong></p><p> [PLAIN]Emotion is structured evaluation.</p><p> Art transmits emotion by reproducing that structure in perceptible form.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]Therefore, structure precedes expression logically. Expression depends on structure in order to be meaningful.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p><p></p><p> [PLAIN]Art without coherence cannot genuinely communicate emotion.</p><p> [/PLAIN]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="deaf_judger, post: 69112, member: 390"] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]Introduction[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]A common contemporary holds that art at its core is self-expression. On this view, the primary goal of the artist is to externalize inner feeling and whatever authenticity emerges counts as art. However expression alone is insufficient. [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]The argument, then, is not against emotion in art, but against the false opposition between emotion and structure. Emotion is already structured cognition. Art succeeds when it preserves and communicates that structure. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]Define Terms[/PLAIN][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][PLAIN]Structure[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]Structure refers to the intelligible organization that makes a work legible. It includes: [/PLAIN] [LIST] [*][PLAIN]Internal consistency [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Persistence of identity(characters remain themselves across time) [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Causal or emotional progression [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Non-contradiction [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Recognizable motivational logic [/PLAIN] [/LIST] [PLAIN]Structure is the framework that allows meaning to emerge. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=5][PLAIN]Emotion[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]Emotion is often mistaken for a chaotic discharge, a raw surge of feeling. But this is innacurate. Emotion is patterened evaluation of reality. It contains components such as: [/PLAIN] [LIST] [*][PLAIN]Recognition of loss [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Attribution of agency [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Perception of boundary violation [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Attachment [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Anticipation of harm [/PLAIN] [/LIST] [PLAIN]Emotion is a structured response to meaning. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]Emotion Requires Structure[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]Consider basic emotional forms: [/PLAIN] [LIST] [*][PLAIN]Sadness =recognition of valued loss [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Anger = perceived violation by an agent. [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Fear = anticipated threat [/PLAIN] [/LIST] [PLAIN]Remove persistence of identity, stable objects, or causal relations, and the categories sadness, anger, and fear dissolve into undifferentiated affect. emotion cannot coherently arise. If there is no persistent self, no identifiable object, no causal relation, then sadness, anger, and fear collapse into incoherence. Emotion therefore presupposes structure. It is structured cognition before it is expression. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]Transmission Requires Shared Structure[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]Why do audiences cry at tragedies across centuries and cultures? [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]In Othello, we see progressive causal manipulation by Iago. In Eighty-Six, young soldiers confront disposability, prejudice, and morality. The settings differ radically. The cultural distance is vast. Yet audiences respond emotionally in both cases. [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]Why? [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]Because the underlying emotional structures are shared: [/PLAIN] [LIST] [*][PLAIN]Attachment [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Mortality [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Loss [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Regret [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Betrayal [/PLAIN] [/LIST] [PLAIN]We recognize these patterns because they are stable features of human evaluation. If art were purely private discharge, a language only the creator understands, empathy would be impossible. . Transmissibility depends on structural overlap between artist and audience. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]Incoherence Breaks Emotional Mapping[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]When a work lacks: [/PLAIN] [LIST] [*][PLAIN]Motivational consistency [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Causal continuity [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Psychological plausibility [/PLAIN] [/LIST] [PLAIN]the audience cannot construct a predictive model of what is happening. Narrative comprehension relies on expectation: we track intentions, infer consequences, and simulate outcomes. [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]When predictive modeling collapses: [/PLAIN] [LIST] [*][PLAIN]Identification collapses. [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Emotional investment collapses. [/PLAIN] [/LIST] [PLAIN]This explains why certain fantasy works succeed while others fail. In The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, the world is imaginary, but the emotional logic is stable. Courage costs something. Temptation has consequences. Loyalty binds characters across danger. The invented setting obeys internally coherent rules. [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]By contrast, works that contradict their own internal logic where characters act without motive or consequences vanish arbitrarily feel hollow. The issue is not imagination. It is incoherence. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]What About Raw “Vent” Art?[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]A strong opposing view deserves fair treatment. Some argue: [/PLAIN] [LIST] [*][PLAIN]Art is emotional discharge. [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Authenticity matters more than form. [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Shaping dilutes truth. [/PLAIN] [/LIST] [PLAIN]There is insight here. Raw emotion may be psychologically real. Unfiltered expression can be cathartic for the creator. But catharsis is obviously not communication. Without shaping, emotion remains private. Art requires transformation into intelligible form. The sculptor does not invent marble, but carving makes it meaningful. Likewise: [/PLAIN] [LIST] [*][PLAIN]Material ≠ art. [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]Processing creates art. [/PLAIN] [/LIST] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]Chaos Can Still Be Structured[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]The argument is not that art must appear orderly. Some works look chaotic yet possess deep structural coherence. [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]In Guernica, fragmentation and distortion convey horror, but the emotional logic of suffering, violence, and anguish remains consistent. [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]In Evangelion, psychological fragmentation is central to the narrative, yet the breakdown itself follows intelligible emotional trajectories. [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]Surface disorder is not structural incoherence. Genuine incoherence occurs when no stable evaluative pattern can be discerned at all. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]Conclusion[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]Emotion is structured evaluation. Art transmits emotion by reproducing that structure in perceptible form. [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]Therefore, structure precedes expression logically. Expression depends on structure in order to be meaningful. [/PLAIN] [PLAIN]Art without coherence cannot genuinely communicate emotion. [/PLAIN] [/QUOTE]
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