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<blockquote data-quote="porco-dddio" data-source="post: 80251" data-attributes="member: 656">Interesting perspective. You can be right but I show you my perspective. I based my idea on the way medieval people thought about art. I do not focus so much on self expression. Its incomplete, but its not wrong to say art is self expression. The point is the art is not entirely constructed by the artist, its more like an interpretation that you articulate with your human faculties of intellect invention and imagination. So what it is: I consider it a way to assert human is measure of all things, so I think art is sort of &quot;scientific&quot; and objective because it creates systems of measurement. Humans doing art will interpret order that is intelligible, and their reframing is a perspective. Aristotle told me imagination isnt personal feeling is more like a faculty of intellect so you transform experience into usable symbols. Its not just &quot;the sense you feel&quot;, its the big processing done in your brain about it. You will always be constrained by analogy, and what is intelligible and proportions and so on. Inventio means you discover a new representation. I can also describe it as transmutation. You become able to create symbols and do the reverse where you use symbol to modify reality. Its the real life version of what it means to be a D&amp;D mage. People who say art is subjective in my opinion got it wrong. Aristotle told me humans are not &quot;creators&quot; of order, so the word &quot;creativity&quot; is mostly used due to CIA coldwar propaganda and the medieval thinkers got it right instead. What is art is rational measure of intelligible reality. So this way Im able to say its &quot;objective&quot; (allow me to use the term I have to phrase it like this). Now the reason art are systems of measurement is simple, is because perception of humans operates in relational structures and they are operations that describe organization of matter. Art can systematize the world and transmute into symbols. Aristotle told me humans are rational animals capable of creating abstract equations (symbols D&amp;D magician stuff) that are drawn from reality then we can use the same symbols to alter the world around us. This is real life transmutation. Its quite a power, also accessible thru &quot;science&quot; when you transmute matter into nuclear fire with symbols (math equations). This is the process.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="porco-dddio, post: 80251, member: 656"] Interesting perspective. You can be right but I show you my perspective. I based my idea on the way medieval people thought about art. I do not focus so much on self expression. Its incomplete, but its not wrong to say art is self expression. The point is the art is not entirely constructed by the artist, its more like an interpretation that you articulate with your human faculties of intellect invention and imagination. So what it is: I consider it a way to assert human is measure of all things, so I think art is sort of "scientific" and objective because it creates systems of measurement. Humans doing art will interpret order that is intelligible, and their reframing is a perspective. Aristotle told me imagination isnt personal feeling is more like a faculty of intellect so you transform experience into usable symbols. Its not just "the sense you feel", its the big processing done in your brain about it. You will always be constrained by analogy, and what is intelligible and proportions and so on. Inventio means you discover a new representation. I can also describe it as transmutation. You become able to create symbols and do the reverse where you use symbol to modify reality. Its the real life version of what it means to be a D&D mage. People who say art is subjective in my opinion got it wrong. Aristotle told me humans are not "creators" of order, so the word "creativity" is mostly used due to CIA coldwar propaganda and the medieval thinkers got it right instead. What is art is rational measure of intelligible reality. So this way Im able to say its "objective" (allow me to use the term I have to phrase it like this). Now the reason art are systems of measurement is simple, is because perception of humans operates in relational structures and they are operations that describe organization of matter. Art can systematize the world and transmute into symbols. Aristotle told me humans are rational animals capable of creating abstract equations (symbols D&D magician stuff) that are drawn from reality then we can use the same symbols to alter the world around us. This is real life transmutation. Its quite a power, also accessible thru "science" when you transmute matter into nuclear fire with symbols (math equations). This is the process. [/QUOTE]

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