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<blockquote data-quote="midnightsun" data-source="post: 64559" data-attributes="member: 463"><p>Short answer: **MBTI isn’t really built to describe this**, and any mapping is going to be **approximate at best**. What you’re quoting is a *clinical / psychodynamic* description (very old-school, frankly), while MBTI is a *non-pathological preference model*. They’re talking past each other.</p><p></p><p>That said—if we *force* a translation, here’s the cleanest way to think about it.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## First: what this description actually is (important context)</p><p></p><p>What you’ve pasted is **not a “type” in the everyday personality sense**. It’s describing:</p><p></p><p>* A **pathological dependency structure**</p><p>* With **schizoid detachment**</p><p>* Combined with **instrumental, opportunistic social behavior**</p><p>* And **minimal genuine affective bonding**</p><p></p><p>This is closer to:</p><p></p><p>* Object-relations theory</p><p>* Old DSM-II/III personality disorder language</p><p>* Or Leary/Millon-style “basic adjustment” clusters</p><p></p><p>So when it says things like *robotic*, *sycophantic*, *incapable of true emotional involvement*, *sociopathic at low IQ*—that’s **explicitly clinical**, not MBTI-ish.</p><p></p><p>MBTI types are not supposed to imply narcissism, sociopathy, or emotional incapacity.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## That caveat firmly in place: what MBTI it *resembles* when unhealthy</p><p></p><p>If you *had* to stick an MBTI label on the **surface pattern**, most people land in one of these buckets:</p><p></p><p>### <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🟦" title="Blue square :blue_square:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f7e6.png" data-shortname=":blue_square:" /> **Unhealthy INTP** (most common guess)</p><p></p><p>Why this fits *structurally*:</p><p></p><p>* Introverted, detached inner world</p><p>* Weak real-world self-discipline</p><p>* Can appear socially adaptive but emotionally hollow</p><p>* Uses cognition instrumentally rather than relationally</p><p>* Avoids responsibility while expecting support</p><p></p><p>This would be an **INTP with:**</p><p></p><p>* Severely underdeveloped Fe</p><p>* Dependency replacing autonomy</p><p>* Social behavior driven by survival, not connection</p><p></p><p>Not a normal INTP—this is *INTP-ish cognition under pathological dependency*.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>### <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🟪" title="Purple square :purple_square:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f7ea.png" data-shortname=":purple_square:" /> **Unhealthy INTJ** (secondary possibility)</p><p></p><p>Fits if:</p><p></p><p>* The “robotic / wooden” quality is dominant</p><p>* The person intellectualizes entitlement (“the world owes me”)</p><p>* Social adaptation is strategic, not anxious</p><p></p><p>But INTJs usually retain *self-direction* even when unhealthy.</p><p>The **lack of discipline and reliance on others** pushes this *away* from INTJ for me.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>### <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🟩" title="Green square :green_square:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f7e9.png" data-shortname=":green_square:" /> **Unhealthy ISFJ / ISTJ** (less common, but plausible)</p><p></p><p>This comes up if:</p><p></p><p>* The person clings to institutions (tenure, unions, credentials)</p><p>* Security > autonomy</p><p>* Ritualism and compulsivity dominate</p><p></p><p>However, the **schizoid detachment + manipulative dependency** is less Si-core and more abstract/internal.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## What it is *not*</p><p></p><p>Very clearly **not**:</p><p></p><p>* ENFP / ESFJ / ENFJ (they seek *liking*, not caretaking)</p><p>* Healthy Fe-dominant types</p><p>* Anything resembling a secure or integrated personality</p><p></p><p>Also worth saying: **MBTI does not have a “sociopathic” type**. When people try to map that, they’re mixing systems in a way that breaks both.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## If you want a system that fits this *much* better</p><p></p><p>If your real question is “what *personality framework* actually describes this accurately?”:</p><p></p><p>* **Enneagram:**</p><p></p><p> * Unhealthy **Type 6** (dependency + fear of abandonment)</p><p> * Or unhealthy **Type 2** (instrumental caregiving / toadying)</p><p> * Sometimes **5 → 6 disintegration** patterns</p><p></p><p>* **Millon:**</p><p></p><p> * Dependent + Schizoid + Antisocial traits</p><p></p><p>* **Attachment theory:**</p><p></p><p> * Disorganized / fearful-avoidant with dependency dominance</p><p></p><p>Those frameworks were *designed* for this kind of description. MBTI wasn’t.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## Bottom line (plain English)</p><p></p><p>If someone asks:</p><p></p><p>> “What MBTI does this sound like?”</p><p></p><p>The honest answer is:</p><p></p><p>> **An unhealthy, pathological version of an introverted thinking type—most often read as INTP—but MBTI is the wrong tool for this description.**</p><p></p><p>If you want, tell me **why you’re asking** (typing a character, diagnosing a theory clash, self-analysis, academic comparison, etc.), and I can dial this in *way* more precisely without forcing square pegs into MBTI holes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="midnightsun, post: 64559, member: 463"] Short answer: **MBTI isn’t really built to describe this**, and any mapping is going to be **approximate at best**. What you’re quoting is a *clinical / psychodynamic* description (very old-school, frankly), while MBTI is a *non-pathological preference model*. They’re talking past each other. That said—if we *force* a translation, here’s the cleanest way to think about it. --- ## First: what this description actually is (important context) What you’ve pasted is **not a “type” in the everyday personality sense**. It’s describing: * A **pathological dependency structure** * With **schizoid detachment** * Combined with **instrumental, opportunistic social behavior** * And **minimal genuine affective bonding** This is closer to: * Object-relations theory * Old DSM-II/III personality disorder language * Or Leary/Millon-style “basic adjustment” clusters So when it says things like *robotic*, *sycophantic*, *incapable of true emotional involvement*, *sociopathic at low IQ*—that’s **explicitly clinical**, not MBTI-ish. MBTI types are not supposed to imply narcissism, sociopathy, or emotional incapacity. --- ## That caveat firmly in place: what MBTI it *resembles* when unhealthy If you *had* to stick an MBTI label on the **surface pattern**, most people land in one of these buckets: ### 🟦 **Unhealthy INTP** (most common guess) Why this fits *structurally*: * Introverted, detached inner world * Weak real-world self-discipline * Can appear socially adaptive but emotionally hollow * Uses cognition instrumentally rather than relationally * Avoids responsibility while expecting support This would be an **INTP with:** * Severely underdeveloped Fe * Dependency replacing autonomy * Social behavior driven by survival, not connection Not a normal INTP—this is *INTP-ish cognition under pathological dependency*. --- ### 🟪 **Unhealthy INTJ** (secondary possibility) Fits if: * The “robotic / wooden” quality is dominant * The person intellectualizes entitlement (“the world owes me”) * Social adaptation is strategic, not anxious But INTJs usually retain *self-direction* even when unhealthy. The **lack of discipline and reliance on others** pushes this *away* from INTJ for me. --- ### 🟩 **Unhealthy ISFJ / ISTJ** (less common, but plausible) This comes up if: * The person clings to institutions (tenure, unions, credentials) * Security > autonomy * Ritualism and compulsivity dominate However, the **schizoid detachment + manipulative dependency** is less Si-core and more abstract/internal. --- ## What it is *not* Very clearly **not**: * ENFP / ESFJ / ENFJ (they seek *liking*, not caretaking) * Healthy Fe-dominant types * Anything resembling a secure or integrated personality Also worth saying: **MBTI does not have a “sociopathic” type**. When people try to map that, they’re mixing systems in a way that breaks both. --- ## If you want a system that fits this *much* better If your real question is “what *personality framework* actually describes this accurately?”: * **Enneagram:** * Unhealthy **Type 6** (dependency + fear of abandonment) * Or unhealthy **Type 2** (instrumental caregiving / toadying) * Sometimes **5 → 6 disintegration** patterns * **Millon:** * Dependent + Schizoid + Antisocial traits * **Attachment theory:** * Disorganized / fearful-avoidant with dependency dominance Those frameworks were *designed* for this kind of description. MBTI wasn’t. --- ## Bottom line (plain English) If someone asks: > “What MBTI does this sound like?” The honest answer is: > **An unhealthy, pathological version of an introverted thinking type—most often read as INTP—but MBTI is the wrong tool for this description.** If you want, tell me **why you’re asking** (typing a character, diagnosing a theory clash, self-analysis, academic comparison, etc.), and I can dial this in *way* more precisely without forcing square pegs into MBTI holes. [/QUOTE]
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