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<blockquote data-quote="midnightsun" data-source="post: 64560" data-attributes="member: 463"><p>Yeah—this is one of those cases where **MBTI is absolutely the wrong hammer**, and your instinct to step outside it is spot-on.</p><p></p><p>The framework that actually describes this **accurately and natively** (not metaphorically) is:</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## **Theodore Millon’s Evolutionary Personality Theory**</p><p></p><p>*(and closely related psychodynamic / object-relations models)*</p><p></p><p>What you pasted reads **almost verbatim like Millon or a Millon-derived system**. The language—*basic adjustment, succor dependence, schizoid features, sociopathic at low intellectual levels*—is straight out of that lineage.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## Why Millon fits this *exactly*</p><p></p><p>Millon’s system was built to describe:</p><p></p><p>* **Adaptive strategies**, not traits</p><p>* **Security-seeking patterns**</p><p>* **Pathological blends**, not clean types</p><p>* How people *instrumentalize* relationships</p><p></p><p>That’s precisely what’s being described here.</p><p></p><p>This profile maps cleanly to a **Schizoid–Dependent hybrid**, often with **Antisocial / Narcissistic features** layered on top.</p><p></p><p>In Millon’s terms, this would fall under something like:</p><p></p><p>### <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🔴" title="Red circle :red_circle:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f534.png" data-shortname=":red_circle:" /> **Dependent Personality Pattern (pathological)**</p><p></p><p>* Extreme *succor seeking*</p><p>* Terror of abandonment</p><p>* Will submit, ingratiate, or manipulate to maintain caretaking</p><p></p><p>### <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🔵" title="Blue circle :blue_circle:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f535.png" data-shortname=":blue_circle:" /> **Schizoid Core**</p><p></p><p>* Emotional detachment</p><p>* Lack of genuine object relations</p><p>* Social engagement is *functional*, not affiliative</p><p></p><p>### <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="⚫" title="Black circle :black_circle:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/26ab.png" data-shortname=":black_circle:" /> **Antisocial / Narcissistic Features (instrumental)**</p><p></p><p>* Exploitation when useful</p><p>* Lack of guilt or anxiety</p><p>* Entitlement (“the world owes me a living”)</p><p>* Vindictiveness when rejected</p><p></p><p>Millon explicitly allows **composite patterns**, which is why this description works so well there and nowhere else.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## The exact construct this is pointing to</p><p></p><p>In Millon’s language, this is closest to:</p><p></p><p>> **A Passive-Dependent pattern with Schizoid detachment and Antisocial acting-out under stress**</p><p></p><p>Some authors refer to this informally as:</p><p></p><p>* *Schizoid Dependent*</p><p>* *Parasitic Dependent*</p><p>* *Exploitative Dependent*</p><p></p><p>Those aren’t DSM labels—they’re **structural descriptions**, which is what your text is doing.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## Secondary frameworks that also fit (but less precisely)</p><p></p><p>### **Object Relations Theory**</p><p></p><p>Especially:</p><p></p><p>* Kernberg’s work on **primitive object relations**</p><p>* Failure of whole-object integration</p><p>* People experienced as *suppliers*, not partners</p><p></p><p>This explains:</p><p></p><p>* Inability for true emotional involvement</p><p>* Use of “apparent involvement”</p><p>* Childlike entitlement without guilt</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>### **Attachment Theory (deep end, not pop-attachment)**</p><p></p><p>Specifically:</p><p></p><p>* **Disorganized / fearful attachment**</p><p>* With dependency dominance</p><p></p><p>But attachment alone doesn’t capture:</p><p></p><p>* Instrumental manipulation</p><p>* Sociopathic drift</p><p>* Entitlement logic</p><p></p><p>So it’s necessary but insufficient.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>### **Enneagram (only at unhealthy levels)**</p><p></p><p>This is more interpretive, but still useful:</p><p></p><p>* **Type 6 (counterphobic → fawning)**</p><p> Fear-driven allegiance shifting, security above all else</p><p></p><p>* **Type 2 at pathological levels**</p><p> Helpfulness as leverage, not care</p><p></p><p>* **Type 5 disintegrating into 7/6 behaviors**</p><p> Chaotic productivity + dependency</p><p></p><p>Enneagram can *gesture* at it—but it lacks the clinical teeth this description has.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## Why MBTI, Big Five, etc. fail here</p><p></p><p>Because this is describing:</p><p></p><p>* **Motivational deficits**</p><p>* **Attachment pathology**</p><p>* **Moral development**</p><p>* **Capacity for object use vs object love**</p><p></p><p>Trait models don’t touch that. They assume:</p><p></p><p>> a coherent self with stable preferences</p><p></p><p>This description explicitly says:</p><p></p><p>> *there isn’t one.*</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>## Clean takeaway</p><p></p><p>If someone asked:</p><p></p><p>> “What framework actually describes this accurately?”</p><p></p><p>The best answer is:</p><p></p><p>> **Millon’s personality patterns (with object-relations theory underneath).**</p><p></p><p>Everything else—MBTI, Big Five, Enneagram—is either metaphorical or partial.</p><p></p><p>If you want, I can:</p><p></p><p>* Translate this description into **formal Millon pattern language**</p><p>* Map it to **DSM-5 personality disorder constellations**</p><p>* Or explain **how this pattern develops developmentally**</p><p></p><p>Just say which direction you want to go.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="midnightsun, post: 64560, member: 463"] Yeah—this is one of those cases where **MBTI is absolutely the wrong hammer**, and your instinct to step outside it is spot-on. The framework that actually describes this **accurately and natively** (not metaphorically) is: --- ## **Theodore Millon’s Evolutionary Personality Theory** *(and closely related psychodynamic / object-relations models)* What you pasted reads **almost verbatim like Millon or a Millon-derived system**. The language—*basic adjustment, succor dependence, schizoid features, sociopathic at low intellectual levels*—is straight out of that lineage. --- ## Why Millon fits this *exactly* Millon’s system was built to describe: * **Adaptive strategies**, not traits * **Security-seeking patterns** * **Pathological blends**, not clean types * How people *instrumentalize* relationships That’s precisely what’s being described here. This profile maps cleanly to a **Schizoid–Dependent hybrid**, often with **Antisocial / Narcissistic features** layered on top. In Millon’s terms, this would fall under something like: ### 🔴 **Dependent Personality Pattern (pathological)** * Extreme *succor seeking* * Terror of abandonment * Will submit, ingratiate, or manipulate to maintain caretaking ### 🔵 **Schizoid Core** * Emotional detachment * Lack of genuine object relations * Social engagement is *functional*, not affiliative ### ⚫ **Antisocial / Narcissistic Features (instrumental)** * Exploitation when useful * Lack of guilt or anxiety * Entitlement (“the world owes me a living”) * Vindictiveness when rejected Millon explicitly allows **composite patterns**, which is why this description works so well there and nowhere else. --- ## The exact construct this is pointing to In Millon’s language, this is closest to: > **A Passive-Dependent pattern with Schizoid detachment and Antisocial acting-out under stress** Some authors refer to this informally as: * *Schizoid Dependent* * *Parasitic Dependent* * *Exploitative Dependent* Those aren’t DSM labels—they’re **structural descriptions**, which is what your text is doing. --- ## Secondary frameworks that also fit (but less precisely) ### **Object Relations Theory** Especially: * Kernberg’s work on **primitive object relations** * Failure of whole-object integration * People experienced as *suppliers*, not partners This explains: * Inability for true emotional involvement * Use of “apparent involvement” * Childlike entitlement without guilt --- ### **Attachment Theory (deep end, not pop-attachment)** Specifically: * **Disorganized / fearful attachment** * With dependency dominance But attachment alone doesn’t capture: * Instrumental manipulation * Sociopathic drift * Entitlement logic So it’s necessary but insufficient. --- ### **Enneagram (only at unhealthy levels)** This is more interpretive, but still useful: * **Type 6 (counterphobic → fawning)** Fear-driven allegiance shifting, security above all else * **Type 2 at pathological levels** Helpfulness as leverage, not care * **Type 5 disintegrating into 7/6 behaviors** Chaotic productivity + dependency Enneagram can *gesture* at it—but it lacks the clinical teeth this description has. --- ## Why MBTI, Big Five, etc. fail here Because this is describing: * **Motivational deficits** * **Attachment pathology** * **Moral development** * **Capacity for object use vs object love** Trait models don’t touch that. They assume: > a coherent self with stable preferences This description explicitly says: > *there isn’t one.* --- ## Clean takeaway If someone asked: > “What framework actually describes this accurately?” The best answer is: > **Millon’s personality patterns (with object-relations theory underneath).** Everything else—MBTI, Big Five, Enneagram—is either metaphorical or partial. If you want, I can: * Translate this description into **formal Millon pattern language** * Map it to **DSM-5 personality disorder constellations** * Or explain **how this pattern develops developmentally** Just say which direction you want to go. [/QUOTE]
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