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<blockquote data-quote="Apollo Tenzen" data-source="post: 63010" data-attributes="member: 271">Greece is more western than america.First of all, the west is not a single state, neither &quot;United States&quot; in a civilizational sense. Now the west fundation is trough the old gods complexity and not build on christ, thats why even if america looks part of the west, but by just strolling trough the streets,&nbsp; you will see how the country got build and the civitilization force leading, its closer to Brazil than UK.Now even Rome had slaves and colonial alike. What changed is the institutions and slavery type force.Europe reached past it centuries long prime and roman/germanic douctrines, meaning the values are focused on stability and managing decline (France is a prime example due its hidden global military power). Also social continuity trough the people, meaning the entire current region structure is for mummification of the elite and reduced social mobility.As you can see the difference between america and europe is astronomical, and the very forces that made northern america possible are not pure european neither western. It did not received the benefit of pagan religions and a justification for christianity (Declining empire stability), only received a vessel of it, just like south america, but with better institutions (Roman Catholicism applied) and a system where law start from the bottom and not trough monopoly of power first.-Now China is a enemy of the United States Empire hegemony only, the fall of U.S is not the same as Rome--&gt;Europe.There is not just one west, one enemy or one simple axis of conflict.Stop forcing black and white labels in the 21 century, China is not just a ideological fanatical place like Russia was.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Apollo Tenzen, post: 63010, member: 271"] Greece is more western than america. First of all, the west is not a single state, neither "United States" in a civilizational sense. Now the west fundation is trough the old gods complexity and not build on christ, thats why even if america looks part of the west, but by just strolling trough the streets, you will see how the country got build and the civitilization force leading, its closer to Brazil than UK. Now even Rome had slaves and colonial alike. What changed is the institutions and slavery type force. Europe reached past it centuries long prime and roman/germanic douctrines, meaning the values are focused on stability and managing decline (France is a prime example due its hidden global military power). Also social continuity trough the people, meaning the entire current region structure is for mummification of the elite and reduced social mobility. As you can see the difference between america and europe is astronomical, and the very forces that made northern america possible are not pure european neither western. It did not received the benefit of pagan religions and a justification for christianity (Declining empire stability), only received a vessel of it, just like south america, but with better institutions (Roman Catholicism applied) and a system where law start from the bottom and not trough monopoly of power first. -Now China is a enemy of the United States Empire hegemony only, the fall of U.S is not the same as Rome-->Europe. There is not just one west, one enemy or one simple axis of conflict. Stop forcing black and white labels in the 21 century, China is not just a ideological fanatical place like Russia was. [/QUOTE]

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