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Did ZoomerPsycho the indian guy really ascended and getting white girls after his surgeries
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<blockquote data-quote="MelaninWarlord" data-source="post: 59103" data-attributes="member: 428"><p>This scenario involves complex motivations and can be viewed through both the pragmatic and Machiavellian lenses, depending on the individual's intent and level of deception.</p><p></p><p>Here is a breakdown of how those terms apply:</p><p><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="💡" title="Light bulb :bulb:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f4a1.png" data-shortname=":bulb:" /> 1. Is it Pragmatic?</p><p>Pragmatism is an approach that assesses the truth or meaning of theories and beliefs in terms of their practical application and results. A pragmatic action is one that is practical and effective for achieving a desired outcome.</p><p></p><p>Argument for Pragmatic: If the goal is strictly to increase attraction from a specific demographic of women in a certain culture (American/white women), and the individual believes that altering his appearance is the most direct, effective, and reliable path to that outcome, then the action is highly pragmatic. </p><p></p><p>He is using resources (money, time, surgery) to solve a perceived "problem" (lack of attraction) with a concrete, physical solution.</p><p></p><p>Argument Against Pragmatic (Ethical View): Some would argue that true pragmatism should prioritize sustainable, inner solutions (like confidence, humor, success) over superficial and expensive external fixes, or that it is not truly pragmatic if it leads to long-term dissatisfaction or identity issues.</p><p></p><p> However, strictly speaking, if the surgery yields the desired social outcome, it fits the definition of being effective in practice.</p><p></p><p>Conclusion for Pragmatic: Yes, if his sole goal is to maximize physical attraction from a target group, undergoing a procedure that is known to increase general attractiveness and social perception is a pragmatic, results-oriented strategy.</p><p></p><p><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🗡️" title="Dagger :dagger:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f5e1.png" data-shortname=":dagger:" /> 2. Is it Machiavellian?</p><p>Machiavellianism (as a psychological trait, often part of the "Dark Triad") is characterized by a cynical disregard for morality, a focus on self-interest and personal gain, and a tendency to manipulate and deceive others to achieve one's goals.</p><p></p><p>Argument for Machiavellian:</p><p>Strategic Manipulation: The act is a calculated, cold, and strategic move to gain a social advantage. He is not changing himself for self-acceptance or health, but specifically as a tool to exploit the dominant cultural preferences of others.</p><p></p><p>Focus on Self-Interest: The entire motivation is self-serving (attraction/sex/status) with little or no regard for authenticity or the principles of the women he seeks to attract.</p><p>Deception/Inauthenticity: While not outright lying, the action creates a deliberate false presentation of self, which a high-Mach individual would value as an effective tactic.</p><p></p><p>Argument Against Machiavellian:</p><p>Lack of Direct Manipulation: Cosmetic surgery is self-directed. True Machiavellianism typically involves direct manipulation of others through deceit, emotional blackmail, or exploitation within the relationship (e.g., lying about intentions, exploiting a partner's weaknesses). </p><p></p><p>Changing one's physical appearance is a form of self-branding and investment, not direct manipulation of another person's emotions or resources.</p><p></p><p>Transparency of Goal: The goal—being attractive—is universally understood. While the method is extreme, it's not a secret tactic used to control a relationship, but an upfront modification.</p><p></p><p>Conclusion for Machiavellian: It exhibits a Machiavellian mindset (calculating, amoral pursuit of a goal at any personal or social cost), but the act itself is better described as strategic and utilitarian rather than a form of Machiavellian interpersonal manipulation.</p><p></p><p>Summary Table</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MelaninWarlord, post: 59103, member: 428"] This scenario involves complex motivations and can be viewed through both the pragmatic and Machiavellian lenses, depending on the individual's intent and level of deception. Here is a breakdown of how those terms apply: 💡 1. Is it Pragmatic? Pragmatism is an approach that assesses the truth or meaning of theories and beliefs in terms of their practical application and results. A pragmatic action is one that is practical and effective for achieving a desired outcome. Argument for Pragmatic: If the goal is strictly to increase attraction from a specific demographic of women in a certain culture (American/white women), and the individual believes that altering his appearance is the most direct, effective, and reliable path to that outcome, then the action is highly pragmatic. He is using resources (money, time, surgery) to solve a perceived "problem" (lack of attraction) with a concrete, physical solution. Argument Against Pragmatic (Ethical View): Some would argue that true pragmatism should prioritize sustainable, inner solutions (like confidence, humor, success) over superficial and expensive external fixes, or that it is not truly pragmatic if it leads to long-term dissatisfaction or identity issues. However, strictly speaking, if the surgery yields the desired social outcome, it fits the definition of being effective in practice. Conclusion for Pragmatic: Yes, if his sole goal is to maximize physical attraction from a target group, undergoing a procedure that is known to increase general attractiveness and social perception is a pragmatic, results-oriented strategy. 🗡️ 2. Is it Machiavellian? Machiavellianism (as a psychological trait, often part of the "Dark Triad") is characterized by a cynical disregard for morality, a focus on self-interest and personal gain, and a tendency to manipulate and deceive others to achieve one's goals. Argument for Machiavellian: Strategic Manipulation: The act is a calculated, cold, and strategic move to gain a social advantage. He is not changing himself for self-acceptance or health, but specifically as a tool to exploit the dominant cultural preferences of others. Focus on Self-Interest: The entire motivation is self-serving (attraction/sex/status) with little or no regard for authenticity or the principles of the women he seeks to attract. Deception/Inauthenticity: While not outright lying, the action creates a deliberate false presentation of self, which a high-Mach individual would value as an effective tactic. Argument Against Machiavellian: Lack of Direct Manipulation: Cosmetic surgery is self-directed. True Machiavellianism typically involves direct manipulation of others through deceit, emotional blackmail, or exploitation within the relationship (e.g., lying about intentions, exploiting a partner's weaknesses). Changing one's physical appearance is a form of self-branding and investment, not direct manipulation of another person's emotions or resources. Transparency of Goal: The goal—being attractive—is universally understood. While the method is extreme, it's not a secret tactic used to control a relationship, but an upfront modification. Conclusion for Machiavellian: It exhibits a Machiavellian mindset (calculating, amoral pursuit of a goal at any personal or social cost), but the act itself is better described as strategic and utilitarian rather than a form of Machiavellian interpersonal manipulation. Summary Table [/QUOTE]
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