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<blockquote data-quote="deaf_judger" data-source="post: 66730" data-attributes="member: 390">[PLAIN]What is Free Will?[/PLAIN]&nbsp; [PLAIN]I think that free will needs three things:&nbsp; [/PLAIN]&nbsp;<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">[PLAIN]you must be able to choose otherwise 
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<li data-xf-list-type="ol">[PLAIN]the choice must not annihilate the chooser(like how they died on Horeb) 
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<li data-xf-list-type="ol">[PLAIN]you must not have perfect certainty about the ultimate moral reality. 
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</ol>&nbsp; [PLAIN]If an agent has absolute certainty (of what good is, what reality demands, and that disobedience is wrong), then choosing otherwise is structurally incoherent. it is not a live possibility for a rational mind.&nbsp; [/PLAIN][PLAIN]What is God?[/PLAIN]&nbsp;&nbsp; [PLAIN]So proximity to got is proximity to absolute truth, moral clarity. But free will depends on uncertainty?&nbsp; [/PLAIN][PLAIN]Total Proximity Destroys Free Will[/PLAIN]&nbsp; [PLAIN]We have three levels of proximity:&nbsp; [/PLAIN][PLAIN]Normal Humans[/PLAIN]&nbsp; [PLAIN]Moral ambiguity exists, and so do competing values. God is inferred, argued, doubted&nbsp; -&gt; Maximal free will&nbsp; [/PLAIN][PLAIN]Prophets[/PLAIN]&nbsp; [PLAIN]God is experientially real and authority is undeniable. Moral truth is clear. BUT: mediation still exists(moses&#039; argument with god, jonah)&nbsp; -&gt; Free will constrained:&nbsp; This happens because the revelation is filtered.&nbsp; [/PLAIN][PLAIN]Direct[/PLAIN]&nbsp; [PLAIN]A direct divine broadcast delivers absolute moral certainty. Now, alternative possibilities vanish, and rejecting god would mean rejecting reality.&nbsp; [/PLAIN][therefore] [PLAIN]A direct divine broadcast delivers absolute moral certainty. disobedience becomes cognitively impossible.&nbsp; [/PLAIN][PLAIN]&lt;???&gt;[/PLAIN]&nbsp; [PLAIN]This is why god stays hidden and doesnt appear?&nbsp; [/PLAIN][USER=532]@Ishmael[/USER]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="deaf_judger, post: 66730, member: 390"] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]What is Free Will?[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]I think that free will needs three things: [/PLAIN] [LIST=1] [*][PLAIN]you must be able to choose otherwise [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]the choice must not annihilate the chooser(like how they died on Horeb) [/PLAIN] [*][PLAIN]you must not have perfect certainty about the ultimate moral reality. [/PLAIN] [/LIST] [PLAIN]If an agent has absolute certainty (of what good is, what reality demands, and that disobedience is wrong), then choosing otherwise is structurally incoherent. it is not a live possibility for a rational mind. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]What is God?[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]So proximity to got is proximity to absolute truth, moral clarity. But free will depends on uncertainty? [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]Total Proximity Destroys Free Will[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]We have three levels of proximity: [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=5][PLAIN]Normal Humans[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]Moral ambiguity exists, and so do competing values. God is inferred, argued, doubted -> Maximal free will [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=5][PLAIN]Prophets[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]God is experientially real and authority is undeniable. Moral truth is clear. BUT: mediation still exists(moses' argument with god, jonah) -> Free will constrained: This happens because the revelation is filtered. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=5][PLAIN]Direct[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]A direct divine broadcast delivers absolute moral certainty. Now, alternative possibilities vanish, and rejecting god would mean rejecting reality. [/PLAIN][therefore] [PLAIN]A direct divine broadcast delivers absolute moral certainty. disobedience becomes cognitively impossible. [/PLAIN] [B][SIZE=6][PLAIN]<???>[/PLAIN][/SIZE][/B] [PLAIN]This is why god stays hidden and doesnt appear? [/PLAIN] [USER=532]@Ishmael[/USER] [/QUOTE]

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