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<blockquote data-quote="Ishmael" data-source="post: 73132" data-attributes="member: 532"><p>Christ said to the disciples when they mentioned a man who had been casting out spirits in His name;</p><p></p><p>Mark 9:38-42</p><p>“Do not stop him, for there is no one who works miracles in My Name who can easily speak wickedly about Me. Therefore, he who is not against you is for you. For anyone who gives you just a cup of water to drink because you come in the name the Messiah, truly, I say to you that he will not lose his reward. And anyone who causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a donkey’s millstone was attached to his neck, and he was cast into the sea."</p><p></p><p>So, I see anyone regardless of how misguided they are the same way that Jesus does; as an ally and someone who also wants the same thing as me in some form. They might just not know the truth. However, to answer the question a bit more specifically, no. I would say that despite my reliance on Christ, Biblical teachings (not the just the words within) and a direct connection to the divine that most Christians would heavily disagree with my 'frameworks' or even call it heretical. Many people wouldn't have a good argument why; it was instilled in them by their local community or their Bible they've been reading. The institution of Christianity has led every single person to believe that in some form they need a mediator between the individual and Christ; along with the added deification of Christ when His entire purpose was to point to His Father. The perspectives offered by every single slice of Abrahamic theology I've encountered puts some kind of mediator between you and the Lord when the <em>entire time </em>He said that it was unnecessary. The 'real' version to me is someone who does what Christ says. Actually does it, to the fullest extent. I don't do it how I should but I know that by looking around me that oftentimes I am the only one I know doing it <em>more</em>, which is extremely disappointing being a relative newcomer to salvation. John the Baptist is a good example of the real version. Jesus is the prime, the intended one, the model.</p><p></p><p>Honestly probably one of the best ways to look at it. I like this style and this is pretty much one of the avenues I started down roughly 8 months ago now before I had my eyes completely open and Jesus touched me. Looking at everything that exists and contemplating where logic and personal knowledge/experience collide. To begin with, things were only slightly Christ-adjacent but in general the source material was always something similar in nature or the discussion of magic to some degree before He revealed to me WHY magic isn't something that you should be engaging with even if it's real and can be manipulated. It's not because the energy itself is wrong; it's the same natural energy that exists on the earth already and that He uses to communicate with us and touch us; but the motivations behind using it and the fact that you are actively seeking power from within yourself or to harness His power for your benefit is where you are wrong. When you are granted the full authority to bend His power to your will? Then you can freely. Until then you need His permission.</p><p></p><p>Matthew 10:1, 7-8</p><p>"Then He called His twelve disciples, and He gave them authority over unclean spirits, that they could cast them out, and to heal all afflictions and diseases... ..."And as you go, preach and say that the Kingdom of Heaven is near." Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers and cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To any untrained or ignorant person in the faith, it would be at least dangerous on their register, and at best another perspective. To me, I actually can agree with it from the perspective of the author. Very few of these black/white/grimoire book authors have <em>seriously</em> engaged with Christ on a personal level to the point where they can rule it out with 100% certainty; and there's a reason for that. It's not a funny 'gotcha' moment either, it's actually perfectly reasonable and I don't fault it at all. Their first and likely only interaction with Christ wasn't a real one but more akin to an animal in a cage. Someone else's perspective on something they don't understand at all, trying to tell you facts about it while conflating lies with their own observation all while smearing the truth that remains, all most of the time unintentionally. How are you supposed to even think to try and come to Christ genuinely if you're trained from day one from <em>everyone, </em>including the people representing Him that everything and everyone contradicts themselves, lie and they have no good explanations for anything, which makes it <em>impossible</em> to engage with. The Institutional version of Christianity is dead light prison code. You will be stuck here, die and your body will be burned in Gehenna as it is discussed by Jesus if you do not align yourself with the Father. Not the church, the community, the cross, the necklace, the Bible, the tithing, the rituals you do, but the alignment and relationship that further aligns you. None of those matter. If you are not willing to be like John or Jesus and literally live in the wilderness with wild animals for upwards of a month <em>at least</em> simply to develop your faith then what are you doing? Is it real?</p><p></p><p>-</p><p></p><p>I find it so odd to me that for MANY folks it is easier to engage with divination like with cards, magic sigil rituals or even demonic-adjacent activities but find it IMPOSSIBLE to pray to Jesus genuinely. I was one of those people; and the only thing I can say is that Satan did a very good job of convincing me for a long time that Christ was out of reach just like I've previously described.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ishmael, post: 73132, member: 532"] Christ said to the disciples when they mentioned a man who had been casting out spirits in His name; Mark 9:38-42 “Do not stop him, for there is no one who works miracles in My Name who can easily speak wickedly about Me. Therefore, he who is not against you is for you. For anyone who gives you just a cup of water to drink because you come in the name the Messiah, truly, I say to you that he will not lose his reward. And anyone who causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a donkey’s millstone was attached to his neck, and he was cast into the sea." So, I see anyone regardless of how misguided they are the same way that Jesus does; as an ally and someone who also wants the same thing as me in some form. They might just not know the truth. However, to answer the question a bit more specifically, no. I would say that despite my reliance on Christ, Biblical teachings (not the just the words within) and a direct connection to the divine that most Christians would heavily disagree with my 'frameworks' or even call it heretical. Many people wouldn't have a good argument why; it was instilled in them by their local community or their Bible they've been reading. The institution of Christianity has led every single person to believe that in some form they need a mediator between the individual and Christ; along with the added deification of Christ when His entire purpose was to point to His Father. The perspectives offered by every single slice of Abrahamic theology I've encountered puts some kind of mediator between you and the Lord when the [I]entire time [/I]He said that it was unnecessary. The 'real' version to me is someone who does what Christ says. Actually does it, to the fullest extent. I don't do it how I should but I know that by looking around me that oftentimes I am the only one I know doing it [I]more[/I], which is extremely disappointing being a relative newcomer to salvation. John the Baptist is a good example of the real version. Jesus is the prime, the intended one, the model. Honestly probably one of the best ways to look at it. I like this style and this is pretty much one of the avenues I started down roughly 8 months ago now before I had my eyes completely open and Jesus touched me. Looking at everything that exists and contemplating where logic and personal knowledge/experience collide. To begin with, things were only slightly Christ-adjacent but in general the source material was always something similar in nature or the discussion of magic to some degree before He revealed to me WHY magic isn't something that you should be engaging with even if it's real and can be manipulated. It's not because the energy itself is wrong; it's the same natural energy that exists on the earth already and that He uses to communicate with us and touch us; but the motivations behind using it and the fact that you are actively seeking power from within yourself or to harness His power for your benefit is where you are wrong. When you are granted the full authority to bend His power to your will? Then you can freely. Until then you need His permission. Matthew 10:1, 7-8 "Then He called His twelve disciples, and He gave them authority over unclean spirits, that they could cast them out, and to heal all afflictions and diseases... ..."And as you go, preach and say that the Kingdom of Heaven is near." Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers and cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give." To any untrained or ignorant person in the faith, it would be at least dangerous on their register, and at best another perspective. To me, I actually can agree with it from the perspective of the author. Very few of these black/white/grimoire book authors have [I]seriously[/I] engaged with Christ on a personal level to the point where they can rule it out with 100% certainty; and there's a reason for that. It's not a funny 'gotcha' moment either, it's actually perfectly reasonable and I don't fault it at all. Their first and likely only interaction with Christ wasn't a real one but more akin to an animal in a cage. Someone else's perspective on something they don't understand at all, trying to tell you facts about it while conflating lies with their own observation all while smearing the truth that remains, all most of the time unintentionally. How are you supposed to even think to try and come to Christ genuinely if you're trained from day one from [I]everyone, [/I]including the people representing Him that everything and everyone contradicts themselves, lie and they have no good explanations for anything, which makes it [I]impossible[/I] to engage with. The Institutional version of Christianity is dead light prison code. You will be stuck here, die and your body will be burned in Gehenna as it is discussed by Jesus if you do not align yourself with the Father. Not the church, the community, the cross, the necklace, the Bible, the tithing, the rituals you do, but the alignment and relationship that further aligns you. None of those matter. If you are not willing to be like John or Jesus and literally live in the wilderness with wild animals for upwards of a month [I]at least[/I] simply to develop your faith then what are you doing? Is it real? - I find it so odd to me that for MANY folks it is easier to engage with divination like with cards, magic sigil rituals or even demonic-adjacent activities but find it IMPOSSIBLE to pray to Jesus genuinely. I was one of those people; and the only thing I can say is that Satan did a very good job of convincing me for a long time that Christ was out of reach just like I've previously described. [/QUOTE]
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