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<blockquote data-quote="Deleted member 354" data-source="post: 42514" data-attributes="member: 354">That&#039;s probably right. I think there are other duties that a guy needs to perform in order to be seen as &quot;competent&quot;, so it isn&#039;t just integrating into this structure but acquiring, mirroring, patterns of behaviour which might elevate you in her mind. A lot of it is just &quot;vibes&quot;, the danger of getting friendzoned lies squarely in the fact that convenience is only one step below the performative part. As you integrate yourself into this structure, you&#039;re subject in greater part to the whims of hiveminded impulses. There&#039;s probably a more complicated argument to be made about how women absorb leftward capeshit and apply that to their own relationships. I&#039;d probably conclude from that that women want relationships to be &quot;veto-proof&quot; (in terms of some invisible actor prescribing value to a pairing). Or at least strong enough to not buck before a friend&#039;s complaint, which I have personally observed.I don&#039;t really buy this. Or I disagree in part. For me, there&#039;s a lot more to it than just the starting conditions, even with a surplus in resources. Likewise I don&#039;t think that her &quot;system&quot; is chiefly responsible for how easy it might be to &quot;integrate&quot; into her life, or whatever form of life she feels most compatible with her own.I guess I&#039;m more willing to prescribe them some form of agency, since, for instance, the pursuit of a relationship and sex and so forth might turn solely on her views toward &quot;sex&quot; in general. You might argue that&#039;s because of social media. Though I think girls who qualify as being &quot;in the system&quot; might provide for edgecases, such as tradwives, who, extending from the analogy you offered, would still have all the starting resources (unless they&#039;re insulated from these), but require added criteria which don&#039;t fit neatly here. Aside from that I agree with most of what you&#039;ve said.Writing that has made me think a lot about highschool sweethearts. A lot to think about, but most of the time it makes me suicidal so maybe not.It&#039;s probably because I&#039;m an uglybastard, but cosplay always seemed to me an end which leaves a man buckbroken. Is it normal to jump into such a laughable alternative if it gets you some poontang?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Deleted member 354, post: 42514, member: 354"] That's probably right. I think there are other duties that a guy needs to perform in order to be seen as "competent", so it isn't just integrating into this structure but acquiring, mirroring, patterns of behaviour which might elevate you in her mind. A lot of it is just "vibes", the danger of getting friendzoned lies squarely in the fact that convenience is only one step below the performative part. As you integrate yourself into this structure, you're subject in greater part to the whims of hiveminded impulses. There's probably a more complicated argument to be made about how women absorb leftward capeshit and apply that to their own relationships. I'd probably conclude from that that women want relationships to be "veto-proof" (in terms of some invisible actor prescribing value to a pairing). Or at least strong enough to not buck before a friend's complaint, which I have personally observed. I don't really buy this. Or I disagree in part. For me, there's a lot more to it than just the starting conditions, even with a surplus in resources. Likewise I don't think that her "system" is chiefly responsible for how easy it might be to "integrate" into her life, or whatever form of life she feels most compatible with her own. I guess I'm more willing to prescribe them some form of agency, since, for instance, the pursuit of a relationship and sex and so forth might turn solely on her views toward "sex" in general. You might argue that's because of social media. Though I think girls who qualify as being "in the system" might provide for edgecases, such as tradwives, who, extending from the analogy you offered, would still have all the starting resources (unless they're insulated from these), but require added criteria which don't fit neatly here. Aside from that I agree with most of what you've said. Writing that has made me think a lot about highschool sweethearts. A lot to think about, but most of the time it makes me suicidal so maybe not. It's probably because I'm an uglybastard, but cosplay always seemed to me an end which leaves a man buckbroken. Is it normal to jump into such a laughable alternative if it gets you some poontang? [/QUOTE]

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