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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fatcel_3000" data-source="post: 10072" data-attributes="member: 73">It's interesting how you simultaneously claim:1. My beliefs are different from yours2. My beliefs are a rip off of your beliefs with no significant differentiating elementsI have no interest in reality. This is where the aims of Scientology and it's eastern antecedents differ. Scientology is a western school of thought. The selling point is that it makes you more capable of attaining your goals, whatever they may be.My Personal Goals are to be a 6'5 chad with psychic powers who remembers the last quadrillion years of my existance. It's rather difficult to mog if you are one with source, although as you say, Scientology is a viable path to that.Whether a persons intelligence, instincts, or intuition are innate is an interesting philosophical question with no clear answer. With intelligence, the position of an innate, immutable intelligence is best supported through IQ theory. The legitimacy of IQ is rather questionable, but the measurement construct of IQ says nothing of the underlying idea of an innate, immutable intelligence.Using a model that puts the brain as the causative factor for intelligence (this is not what I, nor scientology believes), the idea of innate intelligence seems to be untrue. There are many interventions that promote neurogenesis and by extension an increase in intelligence. Neuropeptides (semax, selank, cerebrolysin) and learning a new language, for example.Regardless, intelligence is useful (scientology, as a western practice, aims to be useful) only in application to a specific ability, such the ability to play chess. This can be developed. The general ability to learn any subject - which is often used as the definition of intelligence can also be developed. In Scientology, this would be L. Ron Hubbard's Study Technology. This is taught in the Student Hat Course.A soldier is trained in the right and wrong instincts to cultivate. The instinct to run away from combat = bad. The instinct to pull the trigger when the bullet would obliterate your target's head = usually bad - most situations you want to hit centre body mass.Intuition is trained through:1. accurate recall of perceptic information.2. increasing the power contained in your postulates (postulate that an ashtray levitates, for example)In the eastern traditions, the Siddhis are generally distained as distractions from the ultimate aim of Enligtenment (if this is a "delusion" just mentally switch to the correct word of your aim). That Scientology is the most effective method for the cultivation of intuitive abilities is proven through the fact that Remote Viewing, which was developed by scientologists using scientology methodology, is the most well studied, vigorously tested, and most importantly, effective method to gather extrasensory information. In my previous post I went over this but you persist in making your erroneous claims so I want to make it crystal clear.Most things don't "seem" to have much of anything if you don't know about them, even if you think that knowledge is a cope and a delusion. Which is your opinion that I have respect. Where it becomes a problem is when it's not congruent with reality (again, the obscurationist tactic of 1+1 can't be known to be 2 because reality is "unknowable")If you are interested in engaging with the delusion of knowledge, an introductory Hubbard reading list is attached to the bottom.Enlightenment is not my goal. The goal of scientology is to Clear the World and produce Operating Thetans. Neither of these is exactly equivelant with enlightenment. A Clear is someone who no longer has trauma based stimulus-response reactions from this lifetime. An Operating Thetan is someone who can operate independently from their body. Some people call this Astral Projection.This is where Dianetics differs from the Behaviorist School.you posted the following allegations. I feel the need to address them because not only are they objectively untrue, they are dangerous and defamatory.The Behaviourist School of Trauma "deconditioning" posits that Trauma is physical, being stored inside the CNSThis is not congruent with any belief system that includes reincarnation. Otherwise the trauma would be destroyed along with the nervous system upon death.For more information on this, See Reincarnation and Biology by Dr. Ian StevensonNor is this interpretation accepted by the scientific community. The heritability of trauma through well established epigenetic mechanisms would concur with Trauma being at best expressed in the nerves.The reason the Behaviourists hold on to this ideological position is because it supports their clinical practices. Studies are conducted that show their clinical practices reduce and eventually negate trauma-conditioned CNS responses. Therefore then, their clinical practices get rid of trauma.Trauma MUST be equivalent to the structure of the CNS because: If X causes Y, getting rid of Y doesn't imply any change to X. A reduction in CNS response, Y - doesn't imply any change to the Trauma, X.Of course, to be a practictioner of a clinical practice doesn't imply that you believe all the theoretical aspects of it. Only that you believe in it's heuristic viability. If someone has a stress response (Y) to a doorbell becase of (X) event in their childhood, and you use pavlovian deconditioning until the association with the doorbell is overwritten. Well, it would be hard to argue that their life hadn't been improved by that. Was the trauma erased? Well - no.It's more than a little ironic because this is the primary pitfall of Empiricist, Reductionist, Western Medical Philosophy. Excessive focus on spot-fixes to symptoms with an indifferent agnosticism to root causes. Same rationale for prescribing SSRIs.This is not the approach Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. When it was released in 1950, it topped the New York Times Bestseller List for a then unheard of 26 consective weeks. Co-Auditing groups were formed in every single city in the United States.A Clear in Scientology is like a Tulku in Tibetian Buddhism. They are released from their traumatic conditioning in not only this life, but forevermore, in every subsequent life. This is because the conditioning is erased instead of overwritten.For the example of the doorbell, Dianetic protocol would be to go back on the "chain" of connected incidents until the earliest incident(s) were found. Subsequent incidents are based off the pain associated with these earliest incidents. They all fall off after the earliest incidents, or "Engrams" are located and re-expierenced until no more pain is felt with the memory. This is "Enlightenment" on a specific point. It is highly ironic, then, that I am the "categorical thinker" when your religious and psychological constructs are so diametrically opposed.For further information see my above posts and read:The Dianetics Picture BookThe Scientology Picture BookDianetics - The Original Thesis.A New Slant on LifeDianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health is a technical textbook intended for theraputic application and not suited as an introductary overview of the subject.</blockquote>

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