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<blockquote data-quote="fatcel_3000" data-source="post: 9883" data-attributes="member: 73"><p>some points worth addressing here</p><p></p><p><strong>I. this is a Fortnite skin of Esoteric Hinduism</strong></p><p></p><p>Scientology is most closely related to Tantric Buddhism, but like all schools of thought, has a varying degree of similarity to every other school of thought. Nothing in this world is truly original - unless it's bullshit. In any field, writing, cooking, games, etc, the only reason something wouldn't get borrowed is if it sucks.</p><p></p><p>That's why this line of criticism is used on almost everything under the sun. If you have more specific points of address I'd be glad to consider them, but then the question would shift to - what exactly is wrong with practicing a version of Esoteric Hinduism adapted for western culture? Good luck finding a legit esoteric hindu guru in the western hemisphere who would be willing to take you as a disciple.</p><p></p><p><strong>II. There are many more effective ways to release your conditionings, and once you do, all of these beliefs and methods will make intuitive sense.</strong></p><p></p><p>there are many <em>schools </em>but the fundamental method remains the same. You have to: 1. identify the conditioning 2. acknowledge the conditioning until it makes intuitive sense and holds no more power over you. Most mainstream trauma therapies use this, directly inspired by <em>Dianetics</em>. The basis of scientology auditing is that only you are allowed to evaluate your own expierences. The auditor is there to guide you and give you acknowledgement. Both things a large portion of the population can do by themselves (solo auditing) and another large portion need someone expierenced to help them with.</p><p></p><p>As <em>a </em>school, The advantages of scientology are:</p><p></p><p>1. It's structured in the same way as an academic subject in a school. Meaning it's optimized for everyone to get the same results with the same work. Clear levels of progression (courses) with standardized work and testing. Many intuitively gifted people are slowed down by annd don't need this, but people with the spiritual IQ equivelant of 80-100 progress much further than they would by themselves</p><p></p><p>2. Increased focus on whats called "the creation of human abilities".</p><p>ESP. Astral projection. Psychokinesis. This is a common point of criticism because most people just aren't good at this no matter how much training they get. Psychic ability to some extent innate and falls on a Bell Curve. Most other schools consider these a distraction. Remote Viewing is a famous offshoot of scientology with a methodology based on its mental exercises. </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>III. It mustn't be this convoluted. Conceptualizing spirituality in this way will only lead you astray.</strong></p><p></p><p>Xenu is an advanced concept.</p><p>If someone who otherwise had no knowledge of mathematics wanted to know how advanced calculus or nuclear physics worked, there's a bare minimum of foundational concepts you'd need to explain before it devolves into "it's just magic bro" tier explanations. Even something like 5x5 requires a lengthy explanation when you have to start with what a "number" is, why you would ever want to use one, why it's a base 10 system, and so on. Convoluted, eh?</p><p></p><p>You don't have to reach this level, and most people stop with results they're satisfied with far before this. Like algebra II. Still, spirituality is a very large subject. I don't think anyone has read even 1% of the classic Daoist or Vedic texts in their lifetime. ALL REAL SUBJECTS are built on simple fundemental <em>principles.</em> That combine to form very complex combinations with unpredictable emergent properties.</p><p></p><p>That's why they don't tell you about calculus on day one of kindergarten. Nowday, because of the internet, the esoteric or secret knowledge model of teaching is an outdated model. It worked to entice a student to stay in a school and complete a course of study. This was standard practice. Even the best way for a carpenter to saw a board would be clouded in in secrecy by some guild. Calculus, interesting enough was invented by Newton as an esoteric practice to decipher the Bible.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>IV. all of these beliefs and methods will make intuitive sense. Reality becomes clear and straightforward.</strong></p><p></p><p>It's important to draw a distinction here. Spirituality is about the cultivation of intuition, yes. Only you can correctly evaluate your own expierences, yes. It is not "intuitive" in the other sense that you don't require the right sources and guidance. Otherwise every NEET with nothing to do would be an spiritually advanced ascended master lol.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fatcel_3000, post: 9883, member: 73"] some points worth addressing here [B]I. this is a Fortnite skin of Esoteric Hinduism[/B] Scientology is most closely related to Tantric Buddhism, but like all schools of thought, has a varying degree of similarity to every other school of thought. Nothing in this world is truly original - unless it's bullshit. In any field, writing, cooking, games, etc, the only reason something wouldn't get borrowed is if it sucks. That's why this line of criticism is used on almost everything under the sun. If you have more specific points of address I'd be glad to consider them, but then the question would shift to - what exactly is wrong with practicing a version of Esoteric Hinduism adapted for western culture? Good luck finding a legit esoteric hindu guru in the western hemisphere who would be willing to take you as a disciple. [B]II. There are many more effective ways to release your conditionings, and once you do, all of these beliefs and methods will make intuitive sense.[/B] there are many [I]schools [/I]but the fundamental method remains the same. You have to: 1. identify the conditioning 2. acknowledge the conditioning until it makes intuitive sense and holds no more power over you. Most mainstream trauma therapies use this, directly inspired by [I]Dianetics[/I]. The basis of scientology auditing is that only you are allowed to evaluate your own expierences. The auditor is there to guide you and give you acknowledgement. Both things a large portion of the population can do by themselves (solo auditing) and another large portion need someone expierenced to help them with. As [I]a [/I]school, The advantages of scientology are: 1. It's structured in the same way as an academic subject in a school. Meaning it's optimized for everyone to get the same results with the same work. Clear levels of progression (courses) with standardized work and testing. Many intuitively gifted people are slowed down by annd don't need this, but people with the spiritual IQ equivelant of 80-100 progress much further than they would by themselves 2. Increased focus on whats called "the creation of human abilities". ESP. Astral projection. Psychokinesis. This is a common point of criticism because most people just aren't good at this no matter how much training they get. Psychic ability to some extent innate and falls on a Bell Curve. Most other schools consider these a distraction. Remote Viewing is a famous offshoot of scientology with a methodology based on its mental exercises. [B]III. It mustn't be this convoluted. Conceptualizing spirituality in this way will only lead you astray.[/B] Xenu is an advanced concept. If someone who otherwise had no knowledge of mathematics wanted to know how advanced calculus or nuclear physics worked, there's a bare minimum of foundational concepts you'd need to explain before it devolves into "it's just magic bro" tier explanations. Even something like 5x5 requires a lengthy explanation when you have to start with what a "number" is, why you would ever want to use one, why it's a base 10 system, and so on. Convoluted, eh? You don't have to reach this level, and most people stop with results they're satisfied with far before this. Like algebra II. Still, spirituality is a very large subject. I don't think anyone has read even 1% of the classic Daoist or Vedic texts in their lifetime. ALL REAL SUBJECTS are built on simple fundemental [I]principles.[/I] That combine to form very complex combinations with unpredictable emergent properties. That's why they don't tell you about calculus on day one of kindergarten. Nowday, because of the internet, the esoteric or secret knowledge model of teaching is an outdated model. It worked to entice a student to stay in a school and complete a course of study. This was standard practice. Even the best way for a carpenter to saw a board would be clouded in in secrecy by some guild. Calculus, interesting enough was invented by Newton as an esoteric practice to decipher the Bible. [B]IV. all of these beliefs and methods will make intuitive sense. Reality becomes clear and straightforward.[/B] It's important to draw a distinction here. Spirituality is about the cultivation of intuition, yes. Only you can correctly evaluate your own expierences, yes. It is not "intuitive" in the other sense that you don't require the right sources and guidance. Otherwise every NEET with nothing to do would be an spiritually advanced ascended master lol. [/QUOTE]
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