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<blockquote data-quote="Schwarzwald" data-source="post: 65662" data-attributes="member: 544">honestly, are you even asking this with a straight face? you’re basically trying to measure temperature without a thermometer. saying eden was &quot;good&quot; before the fruit is a total paradox because if &quot;evil&quot; doesn&#039;t exist yet, &quot;good&quot; isn&#039;t a concept—it&#039;s just the default setting.it’s like trying to describe &quot;up&quot; if &quot;down&quot; never existed; you&#039;d just be floating in a void with no words for direction. or like math before we discovered the number 0—without parameters, nodes, or data points to compare things to, the whole conversation is basically pointless.even jung would tell you that light only becomes visible when it hits an object and creates a shadow. you can’t plot a graph with only one dot, and you can&#039;t call something &quot;hot&quot; if &quot;cold&quot; isn&#039;t even a possibility yet. you’re just using a post-fruit brain to project a measurement onto a state that had no scales to begin with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Schwarzwald, post: 65662, member: 544"] honestly, are you even asking this with a straight face? you’re basically trying to measure temperature without a thermometer. saying eden was "good" before the fruit is a total paradox because if "evil" doesn't exist yet, "good" isn't a concept—it's just the default setting. it’s like trying to describe "up" if "down" never existed; you'd just be floating in a void with no words for direction. or like math before we discovered the number 0—without parameters, nodes, or data points to compare things to, the whole conversation is basically pointless. even jung would tell you that light only becomes visible when it hits an object and creates a shadow. you can’t plot a graph with only one dot, and you can't call something "hot" if "cold" isn't even a possibility yet. you’re just using a post-fruit brain to project a measurement onto a state that had no scales to begin with. [/QUOTE]

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