Venting Is life worth living?

[Enju]

I know this question sounds very vague, but I couldn’t help but ponder on the question for the past month or so. My views have fallen into being more pessimistic, and my mundane life only fuels my outlook further. A quote from Schopenhauer sums it up best:

Desire is the cause of suffering; as soon as we attain one goal, another desire springs up, and we are condemned to an infinite pursuit.

A lot of people on these spaces can probably relate to this. We are biologically programmed to seek out a mate, yet the desire can never be fulfilled for some of us. And even when it is fulfilled, we begin to desire something else. It’s an infinite pursuit of desire that can never be fulfilled.

Now the solution could be to simply lessen your desires, expect less from life. But that makes it all the more crappier. If your desires in life can never be met, and in return you feel hopelessness or defeat, is it better to have never existed/cease to exist?

 

[newsincerity]

not everyone's life is worth living

can't answer for you

 

[Tabula Rasa]

better to have never existed/cease to exist?

Yeah basically. I have absurdist outlook on life, just maxxing out dopamine and hedonism because everything is meaningless in the end.

 

[twojei]

I know this question sounds very vague, but I couldn’t help but ponder on the question for the past month or so. My views have fallen into being more pessimistic

I really sympathize with you man. I'm a big fan of philosophical pessimism. There's a great subreddit about it: r/Pessimism, if you want to check it out. This conceptual worldview is quite useful and very compassionate in itself, because it's easy to sympathize with what Schopenahuer and other pessimistic philosophers say, and it really helped me a lot in quite difficult times to be able to sustain myself, but in the long run it's a bit harmful, because in the end it's a paradigm of thought and as such it will influence you on an unconscious level and if what you're looking for is to stop suffering, you might start by abandoning it or letting it go slowly. If there is something that an “ex-pessimist” told me it was:

"The 'reality' of pessimism is in your mind. It is a conceptual perspective of seeing the world. See beyond it."

A way of seeing things is that there is no such a thing as "the Blackpill" or "the Whitepill", these are all realities in our own minds that we project onto the world and reify as if they were objective and inherent truths, as if they constituted an objective and indepedent world.

, and my mundane life only fuels my outlook further. A quote from Schopenhauer sums it up best:


A lot of people on these spaces can probably relate to this. We are biologically programmed to seek out a mate,

Start by looking for the "I" that "has" this desire:

yet the desire can never be fulfilled for some of us.

What if you let go of this idea?

And even when it is fulfilled, we begin to desire something else. It’s an infinite pursuit of desire that can never be fulfilled.

Now the solution could be to simply lessen your desires, expect less from life. But that makes it all the more crappier. If your desires in life can never be met, and in return you feel hopelessness or defeat, is it better to have never existed/cease to exist?

I have too pondered about this. Honestly, there might only be one way of this: self-inquiry. Each time these kind of thoughts come to your mind: "From where are this thoughts arising?". Do this everytime, and you might discover that this thoughts are not yours but fear and hopelessness talking. Is it bad to feel fear or hopelessness? No. They are just hopelessness and fear, but the idea is to see beyond the dual mind that splits reality; to see beyond good and evil, brutal and not-brutal, cruel and not-cruel, satisfactory and unsatisfactory, and you might start noticing that all of these realities exist in dependence to the mind. Meditation is a perfect tool to do this.

If you have further questions, I'll be glad to help.

 

[newsincerity]

Start by looking for the "I" that "has" this desire:

that video pisses me off

 

[TalesFromDaBasement]

I'm depressed

 

[VioletBlast]

Yeah basically. I have absurdist outlook on life, just maxxing out dopamine and hedonism because everything is meaningless in the end.

Momma Rasa is like me

 

[twojei]

I really sympathize with you man. I'm a big fan of philosophical pessimism. There's a great subreddit about it: r/Pessimism, if you want to check it out. This conceptual worldview is quite useful and very compassionate in itself, because it's easy to sympathize with what Schopenahuer and other pessimistic philosophers say, and it really helped me a lot in quite difficult times to be able to sustain myself, but in the long run it's a bit harmful, because in the end it's a paradigm of thought and as such it will influence you on an unconscious level and if what you're looking for is to stop suffering, you might start by abandoning it or letting it go slowly. If there is something that an “ex-pessimist” told me it was:

"The 'reality' of pessimism is in your mind. It is a conceptual perspective of seeing the world. See beyond it."

A way of seeing things is that there is no such a thing as "the Blackpill" or "the Whitepill", these are all realities in our own minds that we project onto the world and reify as if they were objective and inherent truths, as if they constituted an objective and indepedent world.



Start by looking for the "I" that "has" this desire:




What if you let go of this idea?



I have too pondered about this. Honestly, there might only be one way of this: self-inquiry. Each time these kind of thoughts come to your mind: "From where are this thoughts arising?". Do this everytime, and you might discover that this thoughts are not yours but fear and hopelessness talking. Is it bad to feel fear or hopelessness? No. They are just hopelessness and fear, but the idea is to see beyond the dual mind that splits reality; to see beyond good and evil, brutal and not-brutal, cruel and not-cruel, satisfactory and unsatisfactory, and you might start noticing that all of these realities exist in dependence to the mind. Meditation is a perfect tool to do this.

If you have further questions, I'll be glad to help.

I also wanted to add another insights to the above paragraph. The desire for love, women, relationships, and so on are one of the hardest psychological conditionings to break free from, but the thing to know in the first place is that "awakening" is not a linear process, and there are a lot of setbacks and shit to it. But if you keep doing the work required (I recommend doing psychoanalysis with the help of an AI to fix every psychological issue you think you might have. The Freudian approach is really useful if there are any mommy issues hanging around lol, and meditating of course is very important to tran the mind to be present and gain the capacity to acess very pleasurable states of consciousness), you will start realizing that there is no "I" that can force this process.

This will all unfold naturally until there will be a point where you will stop suffering because of these desires because the realization is that there is no “manager” behind your conditioning, as I said: no “I” that can force its release. There are only layers of thought, emotion and sensation that arise, are observed and, when integrated, lose strength. If you keep doing this patiently, it comes a point where the mind doesn't create clinging to the thoughts and feelings that arise which means that you are free from suffering.