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<blockquote data-quote="OgreLTN" data-source="post: 59129" data-attributes="member: 413"><p>In Islam, aggression can be interpreted as the mere act of not believing in the religion. Criticizing it is also aggression and so on. Easily debunkable and classical use of verses without context.</p><p></p><p><strong>The Table Spread (5:32) </strong></p><p></p><p>That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity. ˹Although˺ Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land.</p><p></p><p>Here, the verse cites a previous law sent to the Israelites, reminding Muslims of it. At first glance, it might seem as it's forbidding all violence, but that's not the case. It allows it as a punishment for murder, tooth for a tooth, and for spreading corruption in the land, or in this version, mischief. This means that killing for inciting others to leave the religion is justified. Inciting others to leave in Islam can be something as simple as identifying as an atheist, eating in public during Ramadan, not practicing rituals... So every non-Muslim can be justifiedly killed under Islam</p><p></p><p>The verse of the sword further confirms this notion</p><p></p><p><strong>The Repentance (9:5) </strong></p><p></p><p>But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.</p><p></p><p>Here it's simply authorizing believers to prosecute and kill non-believers after the sacred months have passed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agree, but still, with the prior definition for aggression, you can justify jihad, which is indeed what terrorist groups do. I'm not quite sure if this is libertarian, I'm sure you will agree. For a Muslim, persecution might be someone presenting solid arguments against the faith, reducing the number of Muslims.</p><p></p><p>Wrongdoing in Islam is eating pork or simply having a glass of wine with friends. That is forbidden, and you might pay with your life.</p><p></p><p>Wrong because of what I said earlier</p><p></p><p>I know you like it raw.</p><p></p><p>Although I despise Islam in general, I think it has some good things, especially when it comes to governance of local communities. Classically, Islam has a history of freely associated local communities, promoting decentralization and the interests of the locals. Such organs might provide security, resolve small trade disputes and other things. Of course, as long as they don't claim independence or authority. This is the thing you can say aligns with libertarianism, not your other points.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OgreLTN, post: 59129, member: 413"] In Islam, aggression can be interpreted as the mere act of not believing in the religion. Criticizing it is also aggression and so on. Easily debunkable and classical use of verses without context. [B]The Table Spread (5:32) [/B] That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity. ˹Although˺ Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land. Here, the verse cites a previous law sent to the Israelites, reminding Muslims of it. At first glance, it might seem as it's forbidding all violence, but that's not the case. It allows it as a punishment for murder, tooth for a tooth, and for spreading corruption in the land, or in this version, mischief. This means that killing for inciting others to leave the religion is justified. Inciting others to leave in Islam can be something as simple as identifying as an atheist, eating in public during Ramadan, not practicing rituals... So every non-Muslim can be justifiedly killed under Islam The verse of the sword further confirms this notion [B]The Repentance (9:5) [/B] But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Here it's simply authorizing believers to prosecute and kill non-believers after the sacred months have passed. Agree, but still, with the prior definition for aggression, you can justify jihad, which is indeed what terrorist groups do. I'm not quite sure if this is libertarian, I'm sure you will agree. For a Muslim, persecution might be someone presenting solid arguments against the faith, reducing the number of Muslims. Wrongdoing in Islam is eating pork or simply having a glass of wine with friends. That is forbidden, and you might pay with your life. Wrong because of what I said earlier I know you like it raw. Although I despise Islam in general, I think it has some good things, especially when it comes to governance of local communities. Classically, Islam has a history of freely associated local communities, promoting decentralization and the interests of the locals. Such organs might provide security, resolve small trade disputes and other things. Of course, as long as they don't claim independence or authority. This is the thing you can say aligns with libertarianism, not your other points. [/QUOTE]
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