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It is possible to live with no psychological and emotional problems at all ?
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<blockquote data-quote="✿°♥｡✰𝒿𝔞𝕪𝒿𝔞𝕪✰｡♥°✿" data-source="post: 71978" data-attributes="member: 147"><p>-------------------------------------</p><p style="text-align: justify"></p><p></p><p style="text-align: justify">No, I don't think this is possible. Maybe in an ideal world you can stop suffering, but the thing is that as long as there is a human biological body that has to live within causality, there will be a body there to produce suffering thoughts. If we go by the perspective of the man who wrote the post, then the ideal thing instead would be to observe that suffering arises based on causes and conditions. Suffering, but no sufferer to put it in his <em>view</em>. Views are all we got.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p><p></p><p style="text-align: justify">Yes, I do agree that from the perspective of thought it seems as if there has always been a supposed "I-center" of control, like an homunculus inside the head, and that this "I" has always been in absolute control of absolutely everything, but that this is not this way and in reality it is a pure construct of thought blah, blah, blah. Nonetheless, I don't think that this "self-illusion" is "the root cause of all the psychological suffering of mankind, the inner conflict and outer violence" because simply putting it, I don't think that biologically we are designed for happiness and some evidence shows it, take a look at the hedonic treadmill for example.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p><p></p><p style="text-align: justify">Yes, this is an important realization. The thing is that not every thought should be dismisse simply as a "thought". I think that there are very important thoughts that appear during the day that are telling you something about yourself, and you shouldn't ignore that. Else you are simply bypassing your own psychology and it will come back and haunt you later. You are just dissociating yourself.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p><p></p><p style="text-align: justify">I don't think that the dysregulated nervous system produced by the illusion of thought can just simply be dismissed as an "illusion". There are REAL problems, and you cannot simply bypass that shit like that.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p><p></p><p style="text-align: justify">Yeahhh... nothing is happening to thought because it doesn't exist per se in the material world, but there is a body which has been affected by trauma and thought. We cannot simply dismiss it. Work in both dimensions of life.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p><p></p><p style="text-align: justify">This is a very extreme view for me. We are not to blame for all of the suffering that happens to us. Many situations are simply difficult and hard and they naturally condition the arising of suffering thoughts.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p><p></p><p style="text-align: justify">I don't think so necessarily. If thought has dysregulated you, then thought itself can also help you to regulate yourself again.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p><p></p><p style="text-align: justify">Yeah, I can't believe I was wasting my time doing all of this bullshit lmao. Shadow work is simply better for us people of the west. Else you are using all of this teachings to shield yourself from your own emotional pain which as I said earlier, it will come back and bite you in the ass.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p><p></p><p style="text-align: justify">This is so neurotic lmao. No different from suffering itself. The search for the end of suffering just brings more suffering. Better to enjoy life than read this pointless shit.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p> <p style="text-align: justify">------------------</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p> <p style="text-align: justify">If I had to give my own reflections of what I've learned during 2025 which was the year in which I got a lot into reading about this shit, is that you can't simply use this teachings as a way to distract yourself from your own pain because it always comes back. Better to go to a good therapist, or do some very intensive self-reflection so that you can attempt to escape all of your own unconscious tendencies because most of the suffering is caused unconsciously, specially when you are not paying attention to what is happening right now. I mean, if all thought is pure illusion as you say... then why not confront it instead of ignoring it. Deconstruct all the bullshit right now, face the bullshit right now. Cut the bullshit. You'll realize that if you do very intensive shadow work, meditation becomes giga easy because your mind is already purified. Now you can really focus on experiencing the good shit.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p> <p style="text-align: justify">Most people use this shit to escape from themselves, it even has a name: spiritual bypassing. You realize it? Everything we are doing is escaping from ourselves, everything becomes an attempt to escape... Then it means that escaping is something we should not be doing as it is probably one of the biggest causes of all this suffering.</p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p> <p style="text-align: justify"></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="✿°♥｡✰𝒿𝔞𝕪𝒿𝔞𝕪✰｡♥°✿, post: 71978, member: 147"] ------------------------------------- [JUSTIFY][/JUSTIFY] [JUSTIFY]No, I don't think this is possible. Maybe in an ideal world you can stop suffering, but the thing is that as long as there is a human biological body that has to live within causality, there will be a body there to produce suffering thoughts. If we go by the perspective of the man who wrote the post, then the ideal thing instead would be to observe that suffering arises based on causes and conditions. Suffering, but no sufferer to put it in his [I]view[/I]. Views are all we got. [/JUSTIFY] [JUSTIFY]Yes, I do agree that from the perspective of thought it seems as if there has always been a supposed "I-center" of control, like an homunculus inside the head, and that this "I" has always been in absolute control of absolutely everything, but that this is not this way and in reality it is a pure construct of thought blah, blah, blah. Nonetheless, I don't think that this "self-illusion" is "the root cause of all the psychological suffering of mankind, the inner conflict and outer violence" because simply putting it, I don't think that biologically we are designed for happiness and some evidence shows it, take a look at the hedonic treadmill for example. [/JUSTIFY] [JUSTIFY]Yes, this is an important realization. The thing is that not every thought should be dismisse simply as a "thought". I think that there are very important thoughts that appear during the day that are telling you something about yourself, and you shouldn't ignore that. Else you are simply bypassing your own psychology and it will come back and haunt you later. You are just dissociating yourself. [/JUSTIFY] [JUSTIFY]I don't think that the dysregulated nervous system produced by the illusion of thought can just simply be dismissed as an "illusion". There are REAL problems, and you cannot simply bypass that shit like that. [/JUSTIFY] [JUSTIFY]Yeahhh... nothing is happening to thought because it doesn't exist per se in the material world, but there is a body which has been affected by trauma and thought. We cannot simply dismiss it. Work in both dimensions of life. [/JUSTIFY] [JUSTIFY]This is a very extreme view for me. We are not to blame for all of the suffering that happens to us. Many situations are simply difficult and hard and they naturally condition the arising of suffering thoughts. [/JUSTIFY] [JUSTIFY]I don't think so necessarily. If thought has dysregulated you, then thought itself can also help you to regulate yourself again. [/JUSTIFY] [JUSTIFY]Yeah, I can't believe I was wasting my time doing all of this bullshit lmao. Shadow work is simply better for us people of the west. Else you are using all of this teachings to shield yourself from your own emotional pain which as I said earlier, it will come back and bite you in the ass. [/JUSTIFY] [JUSTIFY]This is so neurotic lmao. No different from suffering itself. The search for the end of suffering just brings more suffering. Better to enjoy life than read this pointless shit. ------------------ If I had to give my own reflections of what I've learned during 2025 which was the year in which I got a lot into reading about this shit, is that you can't simply use this teachings as a way to distract yourself from your own pain because it always comes back. Better to go to a good therapist, or do some very intensive self-reflection so that you can attempt to escape all of your own unconscious tendencies because most of the suffering is caused unconsciously, specially when you are not paying attention to what is happening right now. I mean, if all thought is pure illusion as you say... then why not confront it instead of ignoring it. Deconstruct all the bullshit right now, face the bullshit right now. Cut the bullshit. You'll realize that if you do very intensive shadow work, meditation becomes giga easy because your mind is already purified. Now you can really focus on experiencing the good shit. Most people use this shit to escape from themselves, it even has a name: spiritual bypassing. You realize it? Everything we are doing is escaping from ourselves, everything becomes an attempt to escape... Then it means that escaping is something we should not be doing as it is probably one of the biggest causes of all this suffering. [/JUSTIFY] [/QUOTE]
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