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<blockquote data-quote="Schwarzwald" data-source="post: 70354" data-attributes="member: 544"><p>You’re right about the old normality for things like dopamine, but hormones like testosterone don't always follow that same downward spiral.</p><p></p><p>The data (like the NHANES studies) shows that even long-term smokers consistently maintain higher total and free testosterone levels than non-smokers. It’s not a temporary spike that crashes below baseline; it’s a sustained shift in how the body processes hormones while nicotine is present.</p><p></p><p>Specifically, it’s not 'free candy', it’s a trade off.</p><p></p><p>The gain: Nicotine inhibits the aromatase enzyme (which stops T from converting into Estrogen). As long as you have nicotine in your system, that 'block' is active.</p><p></p><p>The cost: You aren't getting a lower baseline T, but you are getting trashed vascular health and higher cortisol, which basically cancels out any benefit the extra T would give you.</p><p></p><p>The 'cancel out' effect only really applies to smokers because the toxins in the smoke wreck their heart and lungs. If you're talking about pure nicotine (gum/patches), you get the hormonal bump the aromatase inhibition and the LH spike without the 'poison' that crashes your physical performance. It’s not about 'scaring' the body; it’s a specific pharmacological trigger that changes how the body handles T.</p><p></p><p>And yeah, the caffeine/pesticide thing is a wild fact, but it just proves the point: humans have evolved to interact with these plant compounds in very specific ways that go way beyond just 'poisoning' us.</p><p></p><p>In the end no one's putting a cig in your mouth, a patch on your arm, a sarm in your stack , or a shot in your bum, and everyone's body is different in how it handles thing. We are talking about health philosophy at this point and sovereign people can do as they please and maybe get a little t bump while they are at it. I have this argument every few years with some health guru who doesn't want to here about how nicotine is good for you.</p><p></p><p></p><p><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🚬" title="Cigarette :smoking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f6ac.png" data-shortname=":smoking:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🚬" title="Cigarette :smoking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f6ac.png" data-shortname=":smoking:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🚬" title="Cigarette :smoking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f6ac.png" data-shortname=":smoking:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🚬" title="Cigarette :smoking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f6ac.png" data-shortname=":smoking:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🚬" title="Cigarette :smoking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f6ac.png" data-shortname=":smoking:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🚬" title="Cigarette :smoking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f6ac.png" data-shortname=":smoking:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🚬" title="Cigarette :smoking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f6ac.png" data-shortname=":smoking:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🚬" title="Cigarette :smoking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f6ac.png" data-shortname=":smoking:" /></p><p>TL:DR</p><p>Nicotine good<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="👍🏻" title="Thumbs up: light skin tone :thumbsup_tone1:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f44d-1f3fb.png" data-shortname=":thumbsup_tone1:" />smoking not so good </p><p></p><p>Chewing coca leaf good, snorting coke not that good, smoking crack bad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Schwarzwald, post: 70354, member: 544"] You’re right about the old normality for things like dopamine, but hormones like testosterone don't always follow that same downward spiral. The data (like the NHANES studies) shows that even long-term smokers consistently maintain higher total and free testosterone levels than non-smokers. It’s not a temporary spike that crashes below baseline; it’s a sustained shift in how the body processes hormones while nicotine is present. Specifically, it’s not 'free candy', it’s a trade off. The gain: Nicotine inhibits the aromatase enzyme (which stops T from converting into Estrogen). As long as you have nicotine in your system, that 'block' is active. The cost: You aren't getting a lower baseline T, but you are getting trashed vascular health and higher cortisol, which basically cancels out any benefit the extra T would give you. The 'cancel out' effect only really applies to smokers because the toxins in the smoke wreck their heart and lungs. If you're talking about pure nicotine (gum/patches), you get the hormonal bump the aromatase inhibition and the LH spike without the 'poison' that crashes your physical performance. It’s not about 'scaring' the body; it’s a specific pharmacological trigger that changes how the body handles T. And yeah, the caffeine/pesticide thing is a wild fact, but it just proves the point: humans have evolved to interact with these plant compounds in very specific ways that go way beyond just 'poisoning' us. In the end no one's putting a cig in your mouth, a patch on your arm, a sarm in your stack , or a shot in your bum, and everyone's body is different in how it handles thing. We are talking about health philosophy at this point and sovereign people can do as they please and maybe get a little t bump while they are at it. I have this argument every few years with some health guru who doesn't want to here about how nicotine is good for you. 🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬 TL:DR Nicotine good👍🏻smoking not so good Chewing coca leaf good, snorting coke not that good, smoking crack bad. [/QUOTE]
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