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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Enju" data-source="post: 77230" data-attributes="member: 17">I understand what you're saying a little. I've certainly tried not to be consumed by envy when seeing couples, or a woman that I find attractive and will likely never have. It's a fairly hopeless situation though. There is little, if anything you can do to "ascend". It's not like you can go reverse nature to make women like you. But once you understand that, you should at least try to move on, even if it's just coping with media. But I can understand people being extremely angry and depressed over their life's outcomeI don't know, maybe it's just me but it sounds like you're denying the BP by calling it "conditioning". The whole point is coming to terms with the fact that women can't truly desire the mass majority of men</blockquote>