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Message: <blockquote data-quote="OgreLTN" data-source="post: 51769" data-attributes="member: 413"><p>Bother, it's not the grainsludge... Most of the time they are talking abt undeveloped teens. In fact, men are getting taller, and better looking. They are probably criticizing the pretty boy culture that exists nowadays... Which is pressured on men by women with their preferences. Fathers always criticize their sons for appealing to the female gaze and having long hair, trendy clothes... In that sense I agree with you that they are selfish and retarded, because in their mind men have to be "manly", and enforce their wishes on their children.</p></blockquote><p></p>