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<blockquote data-quote="twojei" data-source="post: 82959" data-attributes="member: 147">It is very harsh knowing that even though meditation is one of the highest and most advanced methods of coping there exists, it is difficult to access those very pleasurable states of consciousness and fulfillment because it gives direct access (sometimes) to unconscious contents that might bring suffering. In a sense, there has to be some sort of &#039;purification&#039; to bring forth the so called &#039;love&#039; and &#039;compassion&#039; the monks talk about. Also, there is the fact that the &#039;ego&#039; does not want to let go of the throne. I think this might be because the usual mode of perception of the mind is that of the centralized self, that is to say, the self model or the &quot;I&quot; thinks it is in charge of doing absolutely everything, but as experience is explored more deeply, we find that actually the subjective experience of being someone dissapears during flow states and even when interacting with other people! Hence when the self-model sees through itself, the sensation of &#039;having died&#039; appears and it can be pretty horrible for some because it is felt as existential terror for the first time as many psychedelic users might report. In my opinion, this is just the start.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="twojei, post: 82959, member: 147"] It is very harsh knowing that even though meditation is one of the highest and most advanced methods of coping there exists, it is difficult to access those very pleasurable states of consciousness and fulfillment because it gives direct access (sometimes) to unconscious contents that might bring suffering. In a sense, there has to be some sort of 'purification' to bring forth the so called 'love' and 'compassion' the monks talk about. Also, there is the fact that the 'ego' does not want to let go of the throne. I think this might be because the usual mode of perception of the mind is that of the centralized self, that is to say, the self model or the "I" thinks it is in charge of doing absolutely everything, but as experience is explored more deeply, we find that actually the subjective experience of being someone dissapears during flow states and even when interacting with other people! Hence when the self-model sees through itself, the sensation of 'having died' appears and it can be pretty horrible for some because it is felt as existential terror for the first time as many psychedelic users might report. In my opinion, this is just the start. [/QUOTE]

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