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<blockquote data-quote="Agent One" data-source="post: 66177" data-attributes="member: 560"><p>(I don't think that the "spirituality" tag cut it, but it would do, its close enough for what's this is about)</p><p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">Introducction</span></strong></p><p><strong>Oneiromancer</strong>: Oneiromancer means "Dream Prophet", or "Dream Mage". It's a word-game title uniting the greeks terms "oneiros" (dream) and "manteia" (divination, prophecy), in order to refer to this kind of magic-path.</p><p></p><p>Now, the definition of magic that i stick to for all practical purposes is: "The art of causing change to occur in conformity with your will", or, "The use of intent to shape the experience according to the volition of one's own".</p><p></p><p>Before going any further, it's better to offer some background first, so the curious or interested on the subject can dive in, while keeping their feet on solid ground. The Oneiromancy concept (as a metaphysical system-model) occurred to me as a result of the synthesis of the ideas of these three different branches of subjective reality:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/UniversalLine/" target="_blank">Universal Line</a></p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/" target="_blank">Oneirosophy</a></p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/weirdway/" target="_blank">WeirdWay</a></p> </li> </ul><p>It would be also a good idea to check out the user <a href="https://old.reddit.com/user/TriumphantGeorge" target="_blank">Triumphant George</a> excellent posts that offers a great overview on the matter of "<a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3dtp5p/whats_it_all_about/" target="_blank">who you are as consciousness</a>", as well as a lowdown on the subjective reality bit:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/38c3yk/how_to_jump_between_dimensions/" target="_blank">DJ Index</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2loaw1/outside_the_dreaming_game/" target="_blank">The Dreaming Game</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/36cim2/supersimplified_models_of_reality/" target="_blank">Simplified Reality Model</a></li> </ul> <p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">What's this all about</span></strong></p><p>Oneiromancy has been an idea that I'veen playing with recently. Its founded mainly on the premise of seeing reality as a personal dream, but not only to adopt the idea intellectually, but to actually shape your reality (experience, world, perception, whatever) according to it and <strong>living it.</strong> All this started when i discovered the phenomenon of manifestation, where after this and the other, i found my way all the way down to the communities listed above. All of these three have some things in common, as they distill the true essence of the experience as such when we look at the fundamental core of the mattter:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><strong>What we actually are is consciousness, experiencing the content within consciousness.</strong> This is the paramount, cornestone, root of the matter. When you cease all senses/reception of perception, thought and sensations, you remain as a "presence"; you are a perspective, consciousness, one singular indivisible thing experiencing stuff you realize. This means that you're not the content of the experience, or not even the person that is now reading this message, it's like an avatar of sorts for the consciousness that you are to use and interact with your environment. Ultimately, you are an open space of awareness in which all experience arises.</p> </li> </ul><p>This is the where we part from. If you investigate things like manifestation, you will realize that there are thousands of approaches to the matter; what this means is that our experience, reality, is not a fixed structure and is more like a declarative dream world that behaves according to the approach one's own have to the experience. In other way to put it: Approaches to how to use the truth. With this in mind, i decided to take the Oneiromancer path for myself, and explore it.</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">Overview & Materials</span></strong></p><p>A couple of fundamental ideas in which Oneiromancy is founded upon would be:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><strong>Non Duality</strong>: "not-two" or "one without a second". Reality is an extension of our own undivisible consciousness. We are our own world, but we're also something beyond it as well. </p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><strong>Idealism</strong>: All of waking reality is a imaginary structure, a dreamed reality.</p> </li> </ul><p>The material authored by Triumphant George and John Paolucci (the core authors with Oneirosophy and UL models for the study and practice of Oneiromancy) can be <a href="https://mega.nz/folder/W1QUhQBD#ZUXGzUzx3G1kNHavtx0c8w" target="_blank">found here</a>.</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="font-size: 22px">So It Begins</span></strong></p><p>This thread is made with two purposes in mind:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left">To share this information with everyone else here, with any potential user interested on this stuff, and also to have an space for myself in order to ponder as i go down this road.</p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left">To also make a thread dedicated to subjective reality as such (Which include what other calls "manifestation", but it's mainly about uniting philosophy and magic generally speaking), so it can serve to share their insights and ideas, as well as personal thoughts and approaches to it. </p> </li> </ul><p>It was mostly for myself tho, as i wanted to establish some place where i could brainstorm coherently, as well as a consistent space where other people could also be interested of exploring these things as well.</p><p></p><p>Oneiromancy as a path have a general goal: <strong>To end duality once and for all, leaving behind the notion that the reality that surround us is something apart from our own minds</strong>, which comes of course with the perks of being able to shape the experience according to one's own desires. As a specific goals, it's up to the practitioner to decide, whatever they have in mind; If you realized that this life is all a dream of yours, what kind of life would you live with this power? </p><p></p><p>. . . .</p><p></p><p>This is a lot to process at first, a lot of question would come in, but let get this show on the road.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Agent One, post: 66177, member: 560"] (I don't think that the "spirituality" tag cut it, but it would do, its close enough for what's this is about) [CENTER] [B][SIZE=6]Introducction[/SIZE][/B][/CENTER] [B]Oneiromancer[/B]: Oneiromancer means "Dream Prophet", or "Dream Mage". It's a word-game title uniting the greeks terms "oneiros" (dream) and "manteia" (divination, prophecy), in order to refer to this kind of magic-path. Now, the definition of magic that i stick to for all practical purposes is: "The art of causing change to occur in conformity with your will", or, "The use of intent to shape the experience according to the volition of one's own". Before going any further, it's better to offer some background first, so the curious or interested on the subject can dive in, while keeping their feet on solid ground. The Oneiromancy concept (as a metaphysical system-model) occurred to me as a result of the synthesis of the ideas of these three different branches of subjective reality: [LIST] [*][LEFT][URL='https://old.reddit.com/r/UniversalLine/']Universal Line[/URL][/LEFT] [*][LEFT][URL='https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/']Oneirosophy[/URL][/LEFT] [*][LEFT][URL='https://old.reddit.com/r/weirdway/']WeirdWay[/URL][/LEFT] [/LIST] It would be also a good idea to check out the user [URL='https://old.reddit.com/user/TriumphantGeorge']Triumphant George[/URL] excellent posts that offers a great overview on the matter of "[URL='https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3dtp5p/whats_it_all_about/']who you are as consciousness[/URL]", as well as a lowdown on the subjective reality bit: [LIST] [*][URL='https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/38c3yk/how_to_jump_between_dimensions/']DJ Index[/URL] [*][URL='https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2loaw1/outside_the_dreaming_game/']The Dreaming Game[/URL] [*][URL='https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/36cim2/supersimplified_models_of_reality/']Simplified Reality Model[/URL] [/LIST] [CENTER][B][SIZE=6]What's this all about[/SIZE][/B][/CENTER] Oneiromancy has been an idea that I'veen playing with recently. Its founded mainly on the premise of seeing reality as a personal dream, but not only to adopt the idea intellectually, but to actually shape your reality (experience, world, perception, whatever) according to it and [B]living it.[/B] All this started when i discovered the phenomenon of manifestation, where after this and the other, i found my way all the way down to the communities listed above. All of these three have some things in common, as they distill the true essence of the experience as such when we look at the fundamental core of the mattter: [LIST] [*][LEFT][B]What we actually are is consciousness, experiencing the content within consciousness.[/B] This is the paramount, cornestone, root of the matter. When you cease all senses/reception of perception, thought and sensations, you remain as a "presence"; you are a perspective, consciousness, one singular indivisible thing experiencing stuff you realize. This means that you're not the content of the experience, or not even the person that is now reading this message, it's like an avatar of sorts for the consciousness that you are to use and interact with your environment. Ultimately, you are an open space of awareness in which all experience arises.[/LEFT] [/LIST] This is the where we part from. If you investigate things like manifestation, you will realize that there are thousands of approaches to the matter; what this means is that our experience, reality, is not a fixed structure and is more like a declarative dream world that behaves according to the approach one's own have to the experience. In other way to put it: Approaches to how to use the truth. With this in mind, i decided to take the Oneiromancer path for myself, and explore it. [CENTER][B][SIZE=6]Overview & Materials[/SIZE][/B][/CENTER] A couple of fundamental ideas in which Oneiromancy is founded upon would be: [LIST] [*][LEFT][B]Non Duality[/B]: "not-two" or "one without a second". Reality is an extension of our own undivisible consciousness. We are our own world, but we're also something beyond it as well. [/LEFT] [*][LEFT][B]Idealism[/B]: All of waking reality is a imaginary structure, a dreamed reality.[/LEFT] [/LIST] The material authored by Triumphant George and John Paolucci (the core authors with Oneirosophy and UL models for the study and practice of Oneiromancy) can be [URL='https://mega.nz/folder/W1QUhQBD#ZUXGzUzx3G1kNHavtx0c8w']found here[/URL]. [CENTER][B][SIZE=6]So It Begins[/SIZE][/B][/CENTER] This thread is made with two purposes in mind: [LIST] [*][LEFT]To share this information with everyone else here, with any potential user interested on this stuff, and also to have an space for myself in order to ponder as i go down this road.[/LEFT] [*][LEFT]To also make a thread dedicated to subjective reality as such (Which include what other calls "manifestation", but it's mainly about uniting philosophy and magic generally speaking), so it can serve to share their insights and ideas, as well as personal thoughts and approaches to it. [/LEFT] [/LIST] It was mostly for myself tho, as i wanted to establish some place where i could brainstorm coherently, as well as a consistent space where other people could also be interested of exploring these things as well. Oneiromancy as a path have a general goal: [B]To end duality once and for all, leaving behind the notion that the reality that surround us is something apart from our own minds[/B], which comes of course with the perks of being able to shape the experience according to one's own desires. As a specific goals, it's up to the practitioner to decide, whatever they have in mind; If you realized that this life is all a dream of yours, what kind of life would you live with this power? . . . . This is a lot to process at first, a lot of question would come in, but let get this show on the road. [/QUOTE]
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