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<blockquote data-quote="Agent One" data-source="post: 66276" data-attributes="member: 560"><p>No no no... You should have said "Lalalala i'm the oneiromancer<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🧙♂️" title="Man mage :man_mage:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f9d9-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_mage:" />" for a stronger comedic effect.</p><p></p><p>Seriously tho, did you check out the sources? Is not like i just suggested some unreachable mystical idea that can't be practiced. Is basically aligning with the core of experience doing what you have been doing anyway without realizing it. Have you heard of creating <a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3du9dh/synctv_the_owls_of_eternity/" target="_blank">synchronicity</a>? Or DIY <a href="https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3h2yxo/the_act_is_the_fact_part_one_an_exercise/" target="_blank">Magick</a>? You can experiment if you want and see what it yields.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The later. If you fully absorb that it is a dream before the dream end, it can open the experience to interesting possibilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p>We can unravel from here. Reality as described somewhere else, it can be said that is "the contemplation of the hypotetical". Let say, you enter a dream, with all of your senses, just right now looking at the image of this forum and typing on the keyboard, it's all the same. And then you step further into the dream, assert it as your baseline world, and never came back? What's the structural difference between the dream and the waking world anyway? Sure, usually a dream is more sluggish, but so are some "ordinary" experiences awake like when you enter in alterated states. If you do the Dreaming Game excersice listed above</p><p></p><p>Some people here may be familiar with what they call "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy" target="_blank">Perennial Philosophy</a>", which in his usual concept, posits that there is overlap between ideas and concepts across all major traditions which point out to the same truth. Oneirosophy in their beginnings was more or less employing a model that was useful to find the "perennial aspect" across all magick practices: Witchcraft, LoA, Reality Shifting, etc. What do they all had in common? Some observations:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They're all phenomenons that pertain to consciousness, to which is experienced within awareness. They produced change at some extent, but while in the perspective of the practitioner this was a success, from the "outside" it can be easily explained in ordinary means, or to the most extreme ends, the "changes" underwent seems to ba have been always true, despite the memory of the person doing the process telling otherwise. It's a purely subjective thing, but it's because what you live it's subjective anyway (Thought experiment: Try to change perspective with another person like if you were remote viewing. You can say "I'm now this other person" but you actually never left your own perspective. That's because you're not, say, "qqqq", but rather consciousness inside a body, have the experience of being "qqqq")</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They're all just different ways to intent changes; it ultimately all comes down to presence, imagination and intent. But adopting a model rather than just intending at random can be a game changer, and the difference between something occurring and either then reacting "aw yeah, cool" and losing your mind. To put it simply: <strong>Reality depends upon your perspective.</strong> If you fully adopt a model, or "way to see the world" to actually format the experience as such, the world will align to it, if not immediately, then gradually. Even with the "standar reality" it does follows along; think, how many things you don't actually experience directly, but rather imagine that it is like that and you just simply hope it's true?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">At the end of the day, is not about what or how, those are fiction or imagined. It's about <strong>WHO you actually are</strong>, from which you shift perspective, and acquire understanding why anything imaginable, fundamentally speaking, is and always has been possible all along.</li> </ul><p>The main thing to get here is that your world is actually a private world, a personal instance that you own. It only seems shared because according to the current facts of the world you have accepted so far, your patterns and habits, you have created and structure that seems separated from yourself and limits your volition; but actually, as you are the only experiencer there, the only intelligence at work (You and your intention), you realize that it was a personal world all along. That's because you're consciousness, and the "world" you're living in it's an extension of it. Something like this:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]12398[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>This is nothing new anyway, it has been explored in countless of ways across all time, it is the structural reality, but the difference between Oneiromancy/Oneirosophy/UL/WW with the others is that it doesn't get stuck in purely inactionable abstractions, it doesn't depend on "belief" either, but rather in acting on knowledge and volitional assertion. It ties the fundamental aspect (You as consciousness, the open aware space where everything arise within it, One-Thing) with philosophy and magic. You put the knowledge before the experience, because the experience is transparent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Agent One, post: 66276, member: 560"] No no no... You should have said "Lalalala i'm the oneiromancer🧙♂️" for a stronger comedic effect. Seriously tho, did you check out the sources? Is not like i just suggested some unreachable mystical idea that can't be practiced. Is basically aligning with the core of experience doing what you have been doing anyway without realizing it. Have you heard of creating [URL='https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3du9dh/synctv_the_owls_of_eternity/']synchronicity[/URL]? Or DIY [URL='https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3h2yxo/the_act_is_the_fact_part_one_an_exercise/']Magick[/URL]? You can experiment if you want and see what it yields. The later. If you fully absorb that it is a dream before the dream end, it can open the experience to interesting possibilities. We can unravel from here. Reality as described somewhere else, it can be said that is "the contemplation of the hypotetical". Let say, you enter a dream, with all of your senses, just right now looking at the image of this forum and typing on the keyboard, it's all the same. And then you step further into the dream, assert it as your baseline world, and never came back? What's the structural difference between the dream and the waking world anyway? Sure, usually a dream is more sluggish, but so are some "ordinary" experiences awake like when you enter in alterated states. If you do the Dreaming Game excersice listed above Some people here may be familiar with what they call "[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy']Perennial Philosophy[/URL]", which in his usual concept, posits that there is overlap between ideas and concepts across all major traditions which point out to the same truth. Oneirosophy in their beginnings was more or less employing a model that was useful to find the "perennial aspect" across all magick practices: Witchcraft, LoA, Reality Shifting, etc. What do they all had in common? Some observations: [LIST] [*]They're all phenomenons that pertain to consciousness, to which is experienced within awareness. They produced change at some extent, but while in the perspective of the practitioner this was a success, from the "outside" it can be easily explained in ordinary means, or to the most extreme ends, the "changes" underwent seems to ba have been always true, despite the memory of the person doing the process telling otherwise. It's a purely subjective thing, but it's because what you live it's subjective anyway (Thought experiment: Try to change perspective with another person like if you were remote viewing. You can say "I'm now this other person" but you actually never left your own perspective. That's because you're not, say, "qqqq", but rather consciousness inside a body, have the experience of being "qqqq") [*]They're all just different ways to intent changes; it ultimately all comes down to presence, imagination and intent. But adopting a model rather than just intending at random can be a game changer, and the difference between something occurring and either then reacting "aw yeah, cool" and losing your mind. To put it simply: [B]Reality depends upon your perspective.[/B] If you fully adopt a model, or "way to see the world" to actually format the experience as such, the world will align to it, if not immediately, then gradually. Even with the "standar reality" it does follows along; think, how many things you don't actually experience directly, but rather imagine that it is like that and you just simply hope it's true? [*]At the end of the day, is not about what or how, those are fiction or imagined. It's about [B]WHO you actually are[/B], from which you shift perspective, and acquire understanding why anything imaginable, fundamentally speaking, is and always has been possible all along. [/LIST] The main thing to get here is that your world is actually a private world, a personal instance that you own. It only seems shared because according to the current facts of the world you have accepted so far, your patterns and habits, you have created and structure that seems separated from yourself and limits your volition; but actually, as you are the only experiencer there, the only intelligence at work (You and your intention), you realize that it was a personal world all along. That's because you're consciousness, and the "world" you're living in it's an extension of it. Something like this: [ATTACH type="full" alt="1_rXsjI63JtMw66LZw0ZJaGA.png"]12398[/ATTACH] This is nothing new anyway, it has been explored in countless of ways across all time, it is the structural reality, but the difference between Oneiromancy/Oneirosophy/UL/WW with the others is that it doesn't get stuck in purely inactionable abstractions, it doesn't depend on "belief" either, but rather in acting on knowledge and volitional assertion. It ties the fundamental aspect (You as consciousness, the open aware space where everything arise within it, One-Thing) with philosophy and magic. You put the knowledge before the experience, because the experience is transparent. [/QUOTE]
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