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<blockquote data-quote="porco-dddio" data-source="post: 81775" data-attributes="member: 656"><p>Watched entire season1 yesterday. Yes I think is based on robust theories, most are plausible scifi themes. </p><p></p><p>The idea you can put human brains in a vat and use them for computational power is true. You can also bulid structures with more brains connected together. </p><p></p><p>Seems to me the criminal color grading model that is assigned to people is subjctive but not random, so the idea sybil system is a council of brains is pretty good. I mean the narrative solves the idea that criminal is a social category. While is true "criminal" is sociology, the narrative solved it by saying sybil is going to interpret signs, and they offer therapy to almost everyone, except those who are too far gone. So the criminal coefficient can go up or down, they measure also anxiety, confidence... of entire areas</p><p></p><p>What seems feeble to me, is a potential flaw of this system, they seem to measure at any time only the visible demonstrable signs and signals from the body and do not consider the history of a person, so there is still place in the world for detective work. What surprises me also is that detectives retained their old policeman skills, while in reality when police is habituated to use AI and bein assisted with software they quickly forget their past investigative skills. But in this future dystopia the detectives are fully skilled and solve things the council of brains cannot. </p><p></p><p>Seems also Sybil system values detective work and is cooperative up to a point. Sybil is mostly rational, fascinating that the system seeks to improve itself and resolve contradictions constantly. If you compare it to matrix, the system (machines) does not solves contradictions but instead serves the cause of awakening the messiah by allowing contradiction to exist. Matrix is a system that accepts failure as part of the design, and all machines are bound to the logic of reconciliation of opposites so that in the end the sparks of holiness are reunited. </p><p></p><p>Sybil isnt kabbalist instead, seems to me its completely "human" as a system, made of a council of antisocial brains who seek endless perennial improvement and interpret the idea of "perfection" thru the narrative established by humans. What really is sybil is us humans being imperfect, but we scaled our brains to the level of an institution who still uses the human logic. </p><p></p><p>I disagree with the weber idea used by the psychologist in the anime, the idea of a perfect bureaucrat. I think sybil is not the perfect bureaucrat framed how they did. Remember that part where they quote max weber idea of perfect bureaucracy? Well, I disagree, its not "perfect" in the terms established by weber. Sybil acknowledges that to be perfect it has to keep improving, and the "perfection" is human narrative. </p><p></p><p>Sybil has human values. Sybil says that emotinal stability allows the brain collective to be able to predict, and cant deviate or risks unpredictable danger, engaging in pre-emptive punishment and endless therapy is preferable. Sybil defines "what is good" and then enforces it statistically with some council of brains. In other words sybil isnt a bureaucracy, cause is not "rules". Bureaucracy is explicit rules and formal authority like some sort of math formula. Sybil is the opposite its a hidden system that makes exceptions when it wants to, and rules apply unless the system continuity requires a change or the system adapts again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="porco-dddio, post: 81775, member: 656"] Watched entire season1 yesterday. Yes I think is based on robust theories, most are plausible scifi themes. The idea you can put human brains in a vat and use them for computational power is true. You can also bulid structures with more brains connected together. Seems to me the criminal color grading model that is assigned to people is subjctive but not random, so the idea sybil system is a council of brains is pretty good. I mean the narrative solves the idea that criminal is a social category. While is true "criminal" is sociology, the narrative solved it by saying sybil is going to interpret signs, and they offer therapy to almost everyone, except those who are too far gone. So the criminal coefficient can go up or down, they measure also anxiety, confidence... of entire areas What seems feeble to me, is a potential flaw of this system, they seem to measure at any time only the visible demonstrable signs and signals from the body and do not consider the history of a person, so there is still place in the world for detective work. What surprises me also is that detectives retained their old policeman skills, while in reality when police is habituated to use AI and bein assisted with software they quickly forget their past investigative skills. But in this future dystopia the detectives are fully skilled and solve things the council of brains cannot. Seems also Sybil system values detective work and is cooperative up to a point. Sybil is mostly rational, fascinating that the system seeks to improve itself and resolve contradictions constantly. If you compare it to matrix, the system (machines) does not solves contradictions but instead serves the cause of awakening the messiah by allowing contradiction to exist. Matrix is a system that accepts failure as part of the design, and all machines are bound to the logic of reconciliation of opposites so that in the end the sparks of holiness are reunited. Sybil isnt kabbalist instead, seems to me its completely "human" as a system, made of a council of antisocial brains who seek endless perennial improvement and interpret the idea of "perfection" thru the narrative established by humans. What really is sybil is us humans being imperfect, but we scaled our brains to the level of an institution who still uses the human logic. I disagree with the weber idea used by the psychologist in the anime, the idea of a perfect bureaucrat. I think sybil is not the perfect bureaucrat framed how they did. Remember that part where they quote max weber idea of perfect bureaucracy? Well, I disagree, its not "perfect" in the terms established by weber. Sybil acknowledges that to be perfect it has to keep improving, and the "perfection" is human narrative. Sybil has human values. Sybil says that emotinal stability allows the brain collective to be able to predict, and cant deviate or risks unpredictable danger, engaging in pre-emptive punishment and endless therapy is preferable. Sybil defines "what is good" and then enforces it statistically with some council of brains. In other words sybil isnt a bureaucracy, cause is not "rules". Bureaucracy is explicit rules and formal authority like some sort of math formula. Sybil is the opposite its a hidden system that makes exceptions when it wants to, and rules apply unless the system continuity requires a change or the system adapts again. [/QUOTE]
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