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<blockquote data-quote="Schwarzwald" data-source="post: 80901" data-attributes="member: 544">&quot;Non suicidal people don&#039;t plan suicides. Fire is hot, you know?&quot; That&#039;s not an argument, that&#039;s circular. Using the act of planning a suicide as proof of suicidal ideation and using suicidal ideation to dismiss the message. It proves nothing except that he&#039;s committed to the conclusion.How do you not understand that part?&quot;he was writing love letters to death in high school&quot;&nbsp; that&#039;s a real observation. Even now you are treating early death fixation as disqualifying the political content, which doesn&#039;t follow.As I said my self I am a connoisseur of the macabre and have been since I was a child from poems, art and music.This is what I&#039;m saying your view is myopic, you treat people like they have no agency, are some sort of wind up toys that are shadows of there real selves. Like they are background characters or NPCs and have not inter monologue or thoughts of there own.Someone can have a genuine relationship with death as a concept AND choose a meaningful death with real political intent. Those aren&#039;t mutually exclusive!Brooooo.Clearly like I said we have to agree to disagree agree, you have said nothing to make me budge from my position. If anything you have caused me to dig in deeper.You just are not going to budge because the whole framework requires you to sees through the performance while everyone else is fooled by the message right?Conceding to my point means conceding that the acts have genuine weight, which collapses your detached analyst position.The final question I want to pose to you is , do you think all suicide bombers in the middle east are suicidal or do you think they are under a religious delusional?I made my point clearly. [ATTACH=full]17069[/ATTACH]<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤔" title="Thinking face&nbsp; &nbsp; :thinking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f914.png" data-shortname=":thinking:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Schwarzwald, post: 80901, member: 544"] "Non suicidal people don't plan suicides. Fire is hot, you know?" That's not an argument, that's circular. Using the act of planning a suicide as proof of suicidal ideation and using suicidal ideation to dismiss the message. It proves nothing except that he's committed to the conclusion. How do you not understand that part? "he was writing love letters to death in high school" that's a real observation. Even now you are treating early death fixation as disqualifying the political content, which doesn't follow. As I said my self I am a connoisseur of the macabre and have been since I was a child from poems, art and music. This is what I'm saying your view is myopic, you treat people like they have no agency, are some sort of wind up toys that are shadows of there real selves. Like they are background characters or NPCs and have not inter monologue or thoughts of there own. Someone can have a genuine relationship with death as a concept AND choose a meaningful death with real political intent. Those aren't mutually exclusive! Brooooo. Clearly like I said we have to agree to disagree agree, you have said nothing to make me budge from my position. If anything you have caused me to dig in deeper. You just are not going to budge because the whole framework requires you to sees through the performance while everyone else is fooled by the message right? Conceding to my point means conceding that the acts have genuine weight, which collapses your detached analyst position. The final question I want to pose to you is , do you think all suicide bombers in the middle east are suicidal or do you think they are under a religious delusional? I made my point clearly. [ATTACH type="full"]17069[/ATTACH] 🤔 [/QUOTE]

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