Whitepill Should "White Pill" leave the identity/term "incel" behind?

[Mentalatte]

Should "White Pill" leave the identity/term "incel" behind?
>> Private poll in the Elysium subforum "What is inceldom?" <<​

Discussion of what an "incel" is:

Theory - What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"?

What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"? In social media and legacy media there are many references to: Incel culture ("jfl", "it's over", "sub5", "subhuman" etc.) Incel communities (*.is, other platforms etc.) "Incel ideology" (mentioned in the news) What is this "Incel ideology" which...

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"Incel" identity has the endonym vs. exonym phenomenon:

Endonym and exonym - Wikipedia

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Endonym (insider meaning)​	Exonym (outsider meaning)​
Single / celibate for involuntary reasons	Uses the word "incel" to refer to single people Defines the term as single for involuntary reasons Part of / contributes to "incel" communities and subculture Connotations Misogynistic attitudes Defeatist attitudes Self-inflicted loser Political radicalisms

 

[Tabula Rasa]

No. Why shouldn't it?

 

[Mentalatte]

No. Why shouldn't it?

Inceldom discussion from "Blackpill as Macro, Whitepill as Micro"

Isn't the definition of an incel what separates incels and non-incels?

Incels in the incel culture use the word to describe being single for involuntary reasons. Other would be "incels" but not in the culture do not identify with the term and do not use it to describe other people in that situation.

This definition includes all men at different points of their lives, including too young to date and too old to date.

Yes

The term and the subculture identity are confused too often. If you heard "incel" as an insult would it mean "loser" or "misogynist" to you?

 

[Mentalatte]

 

[Mentalatte]

No. Why shouldn't it?

It would also make this place another "incel" forum and a failed attempt to leave the subculture behind.

There would be no point for outsiders / non-incels to contribute.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Whitepilled individuals are Whitepillers. Whether they're incel or not is a separate question.

There's no reason to scrap fundamental definitions unless you want to kowtow to normie preferences and want to play up to them.

It would also make this place another "incel" forum and a failed attempt to leave the subculture behind.

There would be no point for outsiders / non-incels to contribute.

The Whitepill draws upon the Blackpill, the conception of which was heavily influenced by manosphere/incel communities.

The Whitepill itself is very niche and only relevant to a small demographic of people. Most normies don't even know what a 'pill' is.

It doesn't matter how outsiders will perceive this forum as a whole. You're always going to be branded as a 'le misogynistic inkwell' by participating in these communities regardless of your personal views on the topic.

There's literally no need to appeal to people who aren't part of the know.

 

[Mentalatte]

Whitepilled individuals are Whitepillers. Whether they're incel or not is a separate question.

There's no reason to scrap fundamental definitions unless you want to kowtow to normie preferences and want to play up to them.

The term is almost never used as its "fundamental" definition even within "incel" communities. This is not playing up to "normie" preferences, this is about presentation.

The Whitepill draws upon the Blackpill, the conception of which was heavily influenced by manosphere/incel communities.

The Whitepill itself is very niche and only relevant to a small demographic of people. Most normies don't even know what a 'pill' is.

It doesn't matter how outsiders will perceive this forum as a whole. You're always going to be branded as a 'le misogynistic inkwell' by participating in these communities regardless on your personal views on the topic

There's literally no need to appeal to people who aren't part of the know.

"It doesn't matter how outsiders will perceive this forum as a whole." — No... It actually does. Outsiders lurk and then join forums. No-one serious wants to join a 'le rabid inkwell' forum.

I only joined because of this based response to my thread on .org, "Infinite tsukuyomi"

Personally I'd enter it on the condition that I retain full awareness and knowledge of the outside world, and that other people have the autonomy to choose not to accept it.

This is a white pilled response because the choice is made with awareness. It's not a cope.

There's literally no need to appeal to people who aren't part of the know.

There is if you are presented as something you're not. This is really a cope.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

The term is almost never used as its "fundamental" definition even within "incel" communities. This is not playing up to "normie" preferences, this is about presentation.

Are you just marking yourself as a people-pleasing conformist? So you basically want incels (people who associate themselves with Blackpill communities) to 'reform' themselves and make themselves appealing to the general public. There will always be a stigma associated with the term. Incels aren't a collective, they are congregations of individuals who have come together on the internet to discuss like-minded topics, it's not that deep.

"It doesn't matter how outsiders will perceive this forum as a whole." — No... It actually does. Outsiders lurk and then join forums. No-one serious wants to join a 'le rabid inkwell' forum.

Blackpill communities as a whole don't appeal to outsiders. They already select for those who are already familiar with the Blackpill worldview and can merge seamlessly into the community.

 

[Mentalatte]

Are you just marking yourself as a people-pleasing conformist? So you basically want incels (people who associate themselves with Blackpill communities) to 'reform' themselves and make themselves appealing to the general public. There will always be a stigma associated with the term. Incels aren't a collective, they are congregations of individuals who have come together on the internet to discuss like-minded topics, it's not that deep.

Are you just marking yourself as a people-pleasing conformist?

No, it's being NT.

There will always be a stigma associated with the term.

The stigma is associated with the incel subculture.

incels (people who associate themselves with Blackpill communities

You're not using the fundamental definition here — you also agree with exonym definition of "incel"!

'reform' themselves

Is white pill about personal improvement while accepting black pill realities or not?

Incels aren't a collective, they are congregations of individuals who have come together on the internet to discuss like-minded topics, it's not that deep.

The "like-minded topics" are the exonym connotations like misogyny and radicalism.

Blackpill communities as a whole don't appeal to outsiders. They already select for those who are already familiar with the Blackpill worldview. and can merge seamlessly into the community.

Black pill communities are not about improving themselves or making their lives better. They're spaces to rot together.

Is this a break from the old ways or not?

 

[Tabula Rasa]

No, it's being NT.

Well I suppose this is a non-NT forum, and this place doesn't really cater to those kinds of people.

You're not using the fundamental definition here — you also agree with exonym definition of "incel"!

There are two definitions. I'm just using the popular 'exonymous' definition for convenience and clarity.

Is white pill about personal improvement while accepting black pill realities or not?

Yes

The "like-minded topics" are the exonym connotations like misogyny and radicalism.

Yes

Black pill communities are not about improving themselves or making their lives better. They're spaces to rot together.

Is this a break from the old ways or not?

Yes, as the Whitepill specifically focuses on the individual and how they can make their life better.

If you don't like this forum and it's views, you can always leave, no one's forcing you to stay.

 

[Mentalatte]

Well I suppose this is a non-NT forum, and this place doesn't really cater to these kinds of people.

Are you ND?

If you don't like this forum and it's views, you can always leave, no one's forcing you to stay.

Are you expressing here that I'm no longer welcome in your forum?

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Are you ND?

Not that I know of.

Are you expressing here that I'm no longer welcome in your forum?

No, but if you feel like you don't belong here because you have a different view about the forum's philosophy and how it should operate, you don't have to force yourself to stay here.

 

[Mentalatte]

No, but if you feel like you don't belong here because you have a different view about the forum's philosophy and how it should operate, you don't have to force yourself to stay here.

I will challenge "incels" on thier views on the black pill.