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The story of Freud and Jung that made me believe in magick
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<blockquote data-quote="leanbo" data-source="post: 36193" data-attributes="member: 263"><p>Used AI to summarize the story but this is basically what went down:</p><p></p><h3><strong>The Context</strong></h3> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Freud</strong> (the father of psychoanalysis) was Jung’s mentor early on, but they later split over fundamental differences.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Freud viewed the unconscious as a repository of repressed desires (mostly sexual), while Jung believed it held <strong>archetypes, spirituality, and mystical experiences</strong>.</li> </ul><h3><strong>The Paranormal Incident</strong></h3><p>During a 1909 meeting in Vienna, Jung pressed Freud on his dismissal of the supernatural. When Freud rejected the idea outright, Jung recounts in his memoirs (<em>Memories, Dreams, Reflections</em>) that he felt a strange sensation:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Jung declared, <em>"There, that is an example of a so-called catalytic exteriorization phenomenon."</em> (Essentially, a poltergeist-like event caused by unconscious energy.)</p><p></p><p>Freud dismissed it, saying, <em>"That is sheer bosh."</em> Jung predicted another loud noise—and it happened again. Freud was visibly shaken.</p><p></p><h3><strong>The Aftermath</strong></h3> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This moment deepened the rift between them. Freud feared Jung’s interest in the occult would discredit psychoanalysis.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Jung saw it as proof that <strong>the psyche could influence reality</strong>—a core idea in his later work on synchronicity and the collective unconscious.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Their relationship deteriorated, leading to Jung’s eventual break from Freudian theory.</li> </ul><h3><strong>Why It Matters</strong></h3> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This story symbolizes the clash between <strong>materialist psychology (Freud) and transcendent/spiritual psychology (Jung).</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Jung’s openness to the supernatural shaped his theories on <strong>archetypes, synchronicity, and alchemy.</strong></li> </ul><p>Freud later admitted in a letter that he wished he could believe in the occult—but his rationalism wouldn’t allow it. Jung, meanwhile, spent his life exploring the <strong>mystical dimensions of the psyche.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>funny story innit</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="leanbo, post: 36193, member: 263"] Used AI to summarize the story but this is basically what went down: [HEADING=2][B]The Context[/B][/HEADING] [LIST] [*][B]Freud[/B] (the father of psychoanalysis) was Jung’s mentor early on, but they later split over fundamental differences. [*]Freud viewed the unconscious as a repository of repressed desires (mostly sexual), while Jung believed it held [B]archetypes, spirituality, and mystical experiences[/B]. [/LIST] [HEADING=2][B]The Paranormal Incident[/B][/HEADING] During a 1909 meeting in Vienna, Jung pressed Freud on his dismissal of the supernatural. When Freud rejected the idea outright, Jung recounts in his memoirs ([I]Memories, Dreams, Reflections[/I]) that he felt a strange sensation: Jung declared, [I]"There, that is an example of a so-called catalytic exteriorization phenomenon."[/I] (Essentially, a poltergeist-like event caused by unconscious energy.) Freud dismissed it, saying, [I]"That is sheer bosh."[/I] Jung predicted another loud noise—and it happened again. Freud was visibly shaken. [HEADING=2][B]The Aftermath[/B][/HEADING] [LIST] [*]This moment deepened the rift between them. Freud feared Jung’s interest in the occult would discredit psychoanalysis. [*]Jung saw it as proof that [B]the psyche could influence reality[/B]—a core idea in his later work on synchronicity and the collective unconscious. [*]Their relationship deteriorated, leading to Jung’s eventual break from Freudian theory. [/LIST] [HEADING=2][B]Why It Matters[/B][/HEADING] [LIST] [*]This story symbolizes the clash between [B]materialist psychology (Freud) and transcendent/spiritual psychology (Jung).[/B] [*]Jung’s openness to the supernatural shaped his theories on [B]archetypes, synchronicity, and alchemy.[/B] [/LIST] Freud later admitted in a letter that he wished he could believe in the occult—but his rationalism wouldn’t allow it. Jung, meanwhile, spent his life exploring the [B]mystical dimensions of the psyche. funny story innit[/B] [/QUOTE]
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