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<blockquote data-quote="Depresso" data-source="post: 85783" data-attributes="member: 347">It all depends on how rational people are about all of this — value has to return from the product back to the individual and their sentience.The entire civilisation project from 12,000 years ago to today depended on slavery, compulsion and individuals having to &quot;prove&quot; their necessity and worth to society and it&#039;s owners by work on the collective project of pushing back scarcity and reward in wages and rent. In a post-scarcity world, there is no collective resistance to push back against and so nothing to reward. There is no moral economic &#039;game&#039; for men to honour, cultivate and identify with anymore. It&#039;s going to be a massive multiplayer of nothing and eveytime someone tries to create something it will get short-circuited by a nihilist yelling &quot;womp-womp&quot; at them and their foolish aesthetic before anything interesting comes out of it — no scarcity, no value.Now that the jobs are going away, the reasons and chains of scarcity will still be there stirring and haunting us, causing existential dread and anxiety, and will be used in culture wars out of context to spite each other. There will be some profound identity problems once the mass layoffs begin because the mutually reinforced compulsion was a big part of the collective identity for so long. No limit, no game — &quot;womp-womp&quot;.We need to change from a society that produces boring &quot;salary men&quot; to GDPmaxx to one that helps people participate in life through gym and other activities that promote health and raise mutual attractiveness. The current economy is life-draining and beats people up and then retires them to homes, they&#039;re all skinnyfat and obese and then that&#039;s followed by wrinkles and low energy before their dreams die. It spends people like nuclear rods turning them into incompatible loners that mask the problem with anti-depressants.Existing people have to have value by default instead of having to &quot;earn&quot; it.The boomers are the first generation that&#039;s saw the beginning of that and had that sigh of relief. It was poorly executed — affordability is a hoax.The Bonsai timeline is lovely but I believe that there will be some shaking and rattling and death tolls that will reach 500M to 1B because of mismanagement and poor execution before we reach stability and freedom.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Depresso, post: 85783, member: 347"] It all depends on how rational people are about all of this — value has to return from the product back to the individual and their sentience. The entire civilisation project from 12,000 years ago to today depended on slavery, compulsion and individuals having to "prove" their necessity and worth to society and it's owners by work on the collective project of pushing back scarcity and reward in wages and rent. In a post-scarcity world, there is no collective resistance to push back against and so nothing to reward. There is no moral economic 'game' for men to honour, cultivate and identify with anymore. It's going to be a massive multiplayer of nothing and eveytime someone tries to create something it will get short-circuited by a nihilist yelling "womp-womp" at them and their foolish aesthetic before anything interesting comes out of it — no scarcity, no value. Now that the jobs are going away, the reasons and chains of scarcity will still be there stirring and haunting us, causing existential dread and anxiety, and will be used in culture wars out of context to spite each other. There will be some profound identity problems once the mass layoffs begin because the mutually reinforced compulsion was a big part of the collective identity for so long. No limit, no game — "womp-womp". We need to [U]change[/U] from a society that produces boring "salary men" to GDPmaxx to one that helps people participate in life through gym and other activities that promote health and raise mutual attractiveness. The current economy is life-draining and beats people up and then retires them to homes, they're all skinnyfat and obese and then that's followed by wrinkles and low energy before their dreams die. It spends people like nuclear rods turning them into incompatible loners that mask the problem with anti-depressants. Existing people have to have value by default instead of having to "earn" it. The boomers are the first generation that's saw the beginning of that and had that sigh of relief. It was poorly executed — affordability is a hoax. The Bonsai timeline is lovely but I believe that there will be some shaking and rattling and death tolls that will reach 500M to 1B because of mismanagement and poor execution before we reach stability and freedom. [/QUOTE]

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