Theory Thoughts on Roko's Basilisk

[Depresso]

Yeah he was disappointed this autism didn't carry over into the real world and committed seppuku and had his friend cut his head off. If I'm not mistaken you can see the two decapitated heads in the corner...

That's that old rock paper scissors theory with skitzo normies and psychos.

Sometimes we become delusional especially when we surround ourselves with an echo chamber you can see it everyday, the scariest part thought is the people on power can make the echo chamber so large that you feel it is the actual reality of a thing or the nature of.

I think there is a theme connecting this all up, maybe it's too far.

I don't think it's autism that caused him to commit seppuku. I think he was already suicidal but never admitted it to himself so instead he wrote himself a spectacular exit.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Yeah he was disappointed this autism didn't carry over into the real world and committed seppuku and had his friend cut his head off. If I'm not mistaken you can see the two decapitated heads in the corner...

That's that old rock paper scissors theory with skitzo normies and psychos.

Sometimes we become delusional especially when we surround ourselves with an echo chamber you can see it everyday, the scariest part thought is the people on power can make the echo chamber so large that you feel it is the actual reality of a thing or the nature of.

More over he shouldn't have killed him self, it was to rash of an act. He should have taken in that moment and the electric esense in the air and went into hiding or exile. Something like Napoleon or hitler and came back with double the resolve. He was sweep up in the rush of his ideas and the aura that was being made with his movement.

Now he is just a painful reminds and lesson for the rest of us and that's better then what most people leave behind.

 

[Depresso]

More over he shouldn't have killed him self, it was to rash of an act. He should have taken in that moment and the electric esense in the air and went into hiding or exile. Something like Napoleon or hitler and came back with double the resolve. He was sweep up in the rush of his ideas and the aura that was being made with his movement.

Now he is just a painful reminds and lesson for the rest of us and that's better then what most people leave behind.

I don't think it was rash at all, I think it was all premeditated for a long time.

Yukio Mishima bibliography - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sun and Steel (essay) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Moreover he dragged others into his suicidal madness.

Tatenokai - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Depresso]

That's the thing... I call it madness because it looks mad to me but that's my subjectivity talking. He would not be committed by a shrink.

 

[Depresso]

Yeah he was disappointed this autism didn't carry over into the real world and committed seppuku and had his friend cut his head off. If I'm not mistaken you can see the two decapitated heads in the corner...

The friend too, that's the second guy in the picture. He was told not to commit seppuku by Mishima but he followed anyway because he found his exit in him. I looked for him to confirm my feeling and there it is, since high school.

He too, did it for his own reasons but the published reason on the news is the political movement.

 

[Schwarzwald]

I don't think it was rash at all, I think it was all premeditated for a long time.

Yukio Mishima bibliography - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sun and Steel (essay) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Moreover he dragged others into his suicidal madness.

Tatenokai - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well I do concede that point, Mishima wrote the script himself from scratch, which is what makes him genuinely interesting versus the others who are essentially cover bands. But mishima was a different breed of animal and the Asian mental joint psyche is very different and foreign to a westerners mind.

It's odd to think about mental scaring, epiegenerics and the out come on a group of people that have a history so wrapped up in suicide, saving face, and honor. Concepts like "karoshi" death by overwork is something most westerns now a days find completely alien.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors, the generational trauma of WWII defeat and occupation, the humiliation of surrender, there's a real argument that Mishima's generation was carrying something in their bodies that expressed as a particular flavor of death obsession and national shame.

I just don't think we should even be bring him up in a conversation about young men who have had their minds warped and twisted by society. Their struggle is on a completely different realm of petty grievance.

Ted kaczynski was a highly intelligent man, who was possibly influenced by mk ultra and other bizarre event in his college days. If anything he was trying to stop rokos basilisk before it had a name.

We think about something like the Oklahoma city bombing, yes it wasn't a suicide but it might have well been. All to say is that these are protest again society and the joint mental space we all live in.

Can you recall all the men who self immolated in America alone?

Everyone remembers this one,

But what about this one?

All this to just say that their deaths are exclamation point to there message they are trying to get across to us. And as humans when we look away we don't only do a disserves to their message but to the idea of life it self. We harden are hearts and lose something very special to us.

 

[Depresso]

Well I do concede that point, Mishima wrote the script himself from scratch, which is what makes him genuinely interesting versus the others who are essentially cover bands. But mishima was a different breed of animal and the Asian mental joint psyche is very different and foreign to a westerners mind.

It's odd to think about mental scaring, epiegenerics and the out come on a group of people that have a history so wrapped up in suicide, saving face, and honor. Concepts like "karoshi" death by overwork is something most westerns now a days find completely alien.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors, the generational trauma of WWII defeat and occupation, the humiliation of surrender, there's a real argument that Mishima's generation was carrying something in their bodies that expressed as a particular flavor of death obsession and national shame.

I just don't think we should even be bring him up in a conversation about young men who have had their minds warped and twisted by society. Their struggle is on a completely different realm of petty grievance.

Ted kaczynski was a highly intelligent man, who was possibly influenced by mk ultra and other bizarre event in his college days. If anything he was trying to stop rokos basilisk before it had a name.

We think about something like the Oklahoma city bombing, yes it wasn't a suicide but I might had well been. All to say is that these are protest again society and the joint mental space we all live in.

Can you recall all the men who self immolated in America alone?

Everyone remembers this one,

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But what about this one?

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All this to just say that their deaths are exclamation point to there message they are trying to get across to us. And as humans when we look away we don't only do a disserves to their message but to the idea of life it self. We harden are hearts and lose something very special to us.

I differ. I don't think it's cultural or alien at all. It's very human and there is no healthy or neurotypical explanation for this. Humans produce some amount of these types every generation and they are all unique because of randomness, some are quite intelligent and others are vapid copy cat memers.

I think they all had a moment when they realised they could not live any longer.

The exclamation point was formed well before they discovered a message they considered worthy. If not this one, then they would find another message to serve and so on. They start to look for meaning in death instead of life.. The point is that there are exclamation marks running around looking for messages and pipelines.

There are far better ways to convey a message than the suicide of a healthy person. We should never encourage this sort of behaviour. They should either seek help to change this or keep it to themselves. Suicide and politics should never cross.

 

[Schwarzwald]

I differ. I don't think it's cultural or alien at all. It's very human and there is no healthy or neurotypical explanation for this. Humans produce some amount of these types every generation and they are all unique because of randomness, some are quite intelligent and others are vapid copy cat memers.

I think they all had a moment when they realised they could not live any longer.

The exclamation point was formed well before they discovered a message they considered worthy. If not this one, then they would find another message to serve and so on. They start to look for meaning in death instead of life.. The point is that there are exclamation marks running around looking for messages and pipelines.

There are far better ways to convey a message than the suicide of a healthy person. We should never encourage this sort of behaviour. They should either seek help to change this or keep it to themselves. Suicide and politics should never cross.

I don't agree by a wide margin. By asserting a psychological model, "exclamation marks looking for messages" without a single example to support it. It's a compelling sounding theory but you're just declaring it. It's a "I just think it is that way" or "source is I made it up"

Don't get me wrong their are killers that do that, completely unhinged psychos. For some reason I'll be doing your side of the argument for you, let's take the first school shooter, not only the first one but a woman and for a meme of a reason, "I hate mondays".

1979 Cleveland Elementary School Shooting.

Used a 10/22 a little squirt gun of a rifle.

But when you look a little deeper into her history and background you find she was 16, likely severely abused at home, and the Monday thing may have been post-hoc deflection.

The message might not always be clear but the act is trying to express something they have no words for or have been ignored over.

Your whole argument boils down to "suicidal people find causes rather than causes creating suicidal people" and that's exactly to my point of just seeing these people as simply suicidal.

A suicidal person has many options in the way they choose to kill them selves. For a suicidal person to land square on a soft target such a a school say something. They didn't go into a police department and start running down cops ( which does happen and even the most delusional person understands that they will end up dead.) They wish to inflict a trauma on society that they feel have wronged them in one way or another. You can look up 100's of videos of people walking down on a cop with a knife or gun and just keep saying " shoot me shoot me". We have a few shooters that did pick hard target that I knew they would die.

Micah Xavier Johnson. Ex military and smoke a few cops and then forced the police into a stand off where they had to strap a bomb onto a drone and blow him up with it. His message was anti cop anti white anti government and he showed what he was willing to do.

Males make up about 80 percent of deaths by suicide.

whether or not you like it they all carry a message they wanted to get across, doesn't make the message profound, right, or even important. Every suicide is a psychic tare into reality, a ripple they want others to feel or not feel it's not a neutral act or behavior.

And it's definitely not a America only thing. School shooting happen in other countries and oddly enough most of them look up to the Colombian shooters who them selves where troubled young me. In China it manifests in school stabbings

Why Does China Have So Many School Stabbings?

Knife or axe-attacks on children are distressingly common.

newrepublic.com

"There are far better ways to convey a message than the suicide of a healthy person. We should never encourage this sort of behaviour.

They should either seek help to change this or keep it to themselves. Suicide and politics should never cross."

You've inverted my point, the suicide is the exclamation point to the message, not the message itself. Clearly these people were not heard by the people around them, not noticed by there friends and family, and tend to feel they have no other option for expression.

No one is encouraging that behavior we all shun it the moment it happens except online degens that see this and form a hero worship around these people.

It is in the end a declarative action not a passive one. If they wanted to hurt people they feel have hurt them or make people feel they way they felt. And what youre doing is exactly what I wanted against with the hardening of the heart.

 

[Schwarzwald]

I bring evola on this forum often and I think he should be read by most of not all modern men.

Julius Evola wrote extensively about what he called "men against time" individuals who were spiritually and psychologically out of sync with the age they were born into. His framework from Revolt Against the Modern World and Ride the Tiger speaks directly to this.

None of this is new or surprising to anyone who has there eyes uncovered by modern lenses.

If I had a wish it would be for all men get out of this waking nightmare, throw off the shackles of modernity and realize the power they all hold.

Fuck it what do I know?

I'm just a man with a mustache with too much time on his hands and wants to see men do better.

 

[Depresso]

I don't agree by a wide margin. By asserting a psychological model, "exclamation marks looking for messages" without a single example to support it. It's a compelling sounding theory but you're just declaring it. It's a "I just think it is that way" or "source is I made it up"

I literally gave you two compelling examples from Mishima and Morita themselves and it doesn't get clearer than that. The others don't really have to contradict the rationalisation of their own suicide especially when they want to present it that way to the world. It would take away from the message if it got too obvious that it was there before the message.

If this is true, that's what makes them so dangerous. Anyone can just give them a mission or pull them into a pipeline and fit them into a narrative.

I don't think it was rash at all, I think it was all premeditated for a long time.

Yukio Mishima bibliography - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sun and Steel (essay) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Moreover he dragged others into his suicidal madness.

Tatenokai - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This guy is writing essays about ritual death and then creates the context for his own ritual suicide in the same year he publishes the essays.

Exigent — Needing urgent attention and intervention.

Other critics got the same idea from his writings, I'm not the only one.

The friend too, that's the second guy in the picture. He was told not to commit seppuku by Mishima but he followed anyway because he found his exit in him. I looked for him to confirm my feeling and there it is, since high school.

He too, did it for his own reasons but the published reason on the news is the political movement.

The second guy Morita was told not to commit suicide but he went ahead and dedicated it for the "Tatenokai" movement. This guy filled his diary with suicide well before he met Mishima while he was still in High School. You could say his circumstances caused this but all of his siblings went ahead and got married and lived their lives, he was the only suicidal one. The suicide was there already and he was rationalising it by first longing for his parents, then politics and finally:

Why do you think he is persisting? Mishima hoped that having a girlfriend would keep him alive but this guy was writing love letters to death long before they met. He's being told "don't do it" but he responds "Sir, I can't let you die alone".

Everyone else got dissuaded and survived. This guy is insisting the he die, you can't take it away from him now.

I'm not saying that all political suicides are like that. I'm only arguing that these types exist.

 

[Depresso]

I bring evola on this forum often and I think he should be read by most of not all modern men.

Julius Evola wrote extensively about what he called "men against time" individuals who were spiritually and psychologically out of sync with the age they were born into. His framework from Revolt Against the Modern World and Ride the Tiger speaks directly to this.

None of this is new or surprising to anyone who has there eyes uncovered by modern lenses.

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If I had a wish it would be for all men get out of this waking nightmare, throw off the shackles of modernity and realize the power they all hold.

Fuck it what do I know?

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I'm just a man with a mustache with too much time on his hands and wants to see men do better.

The guys I'm describing are not men against time and should be filtered out and identified so the other guys who do have messages can be taken as seriously as they should.

You've inverted my point, the suicide is the exclamation point to the message, not the message itself. Clearly these people were not heard by the people around them, not noticed by there friends and family, and tend to feel they have no other option for expression.

No one is encouraging that behavior we all shun it the moment it happens except online degens that see this and form a hero worship around these people.

I haven't inverted your message but rather I argue that the "inverts" exist and walk among us. There are exclamation marks walking among us reading ebooks and websites. Even if you banned all political literature, they would invent something to send or worse, attach themselves to someone else's message and ruin it for them.