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<blockquote data-quote="Depresso" data-source="post: 84730" data-attributes="member: 347"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-size: 26px"><strong>Thoughts on The Redpill and Incels</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH=full]18254[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>The “Pill” jargon is a meme for “awakening” via a shift in worldview. The Matrix uses <strong><span style="color: rgb(226, 80, 65)">red</span></strong> vs. <span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)"><strong>blue</strong></span> to frame a choice between staying in a comfortable, simulated reality <strong><span style="color: rgb(84, 172, 210)">(blue)</span></strong> and confronting an uncomfortable truth <span style="color: rgb(235, 107, 86)"><strong>(red)</strong></span>.</p><p></p><p>Baudrillard’s “hyperreality” (and related ideas like simulation) argues that in modern media-saturated life, signs and models don’t merely represent reality — they can replace or outgrow the very reality they claim to describe. How useful is each worldview to your happiness?</p><p></p><p>The pills do not build on one another and are not intersectional or compatible at all.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>The Bluepill</strong></span></p><p>The bluepill is "pill" jargon for naively accepting everything broadcast on mainstream media on human behaviour (dating) and real life. Bluepillers autistically take bad romantic plotlines seriously and do not see nuance. They believe in a just-world fallacy, virtue-signal their beliefs and attack uncomfortable truths. This is often destructive for those dealing with the uncomfortable truths and trying to grow out of those situations (dating ruts).</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH=full]18255[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>The blackpill is a different type of the bluepill from a smaller subculture. It was first used by a commenter on an anti-feminist blog to describe political solutions to dating. It moves the focus from self-improvement to politics and the overton window, and <u>then back to mainstream media.</u></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>The Redpill</strong></span></p><p>In the early 2000s, the PUA and “red pill” scene was largely an offline, peer-to-peer learning culture. The “practical” emphasis was on getting out and running reps — observing strangers, starting low-stakes conversations, learning how to read attraction/opposition in real time, and iterating fast — rather than abstract philosophy. If "touch grass" was a community of forums, it would have been the redpill between 2000 and 2010. Men traded practical advice and strategies on working out, fashion, social skills and dating. The early 2000s redpill scene (RSD, PUA etc.) was completely apolitical and focused on self-improvement and real life results.</p><p></p><p>In 2010s things started to change and posters from <strong><span style="color: rgb(235, 107, 86)">/pol/stein</span></strong> and stormfront started to raid the redpill spaces, the redpill gained a new meaning on top of rejecting the bluepill and dating advice. Online influencers and content creators started to join the new rejection of the bluepill and started to post their takes on the redpill. What began as an unplugged network of self-improvement communities was derailed by new influencers, political funding and podcasters. The new "redpillers" argue with women and debate politics.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>Thoughts</strong></span></p><p><strong>1. The "pills" change over time and do not mean the same things anymore.</strong></p><p>The "redpill" changed from practical PUAs to /pol/ posters and cringe podcasters and the "blackpill" evolved from defeatists to looksmaxxers who are more like the PUA 20 years ago than the original incels who rejected them. Everyone is selling their looksmaxxing protocol. The worldviews are not the same anymore.</p><p></p><p><strong>2. The "pills" have no practical use anymore</strong></p><p>There's nothing stopping you from looking for practical dating advice online. Every dating coach has a social media channel and you can find what works for you. The old "redpillers" do not advertise as redpillers.</p><p></p><p>It's cringe to use the pill jargon now because it has been completely taken over by blackpill <a href="https://elysianfields.se/threads/what-is-an-incel-what-is-incel-ideology.3959/" target="_blank">"incels"</a>, <a href="https://elysianfields.se/threads/what-do-you-think-of-the-accelerationist-types.8747/" target="_blank">extremists</a> and cringe podcasters. If you use the jargon today you will be associated with Clavicular and Lamarcus's incel soft power. They're all incels and chuds now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Depresso, post: 84730, member: 347"] [CENTER][SIZE=7][B]Thoughts on The Redpill and Incels[/B][/SIZE] [ATTACH type="full" alt="redpill bg removed.png"]18254[/ATTACH][/CENTER] The “Pill” jargon is a meme for “awakening” via a shift in worldview. The Matrix uses [B][COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]red[/COLOR][/B] vs. [COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)][B]blue[/B][/COLOR] to frame a choice between staying in a comfortable, simulated reality [B][COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)](blue)[/COLOR][/B] and confronting an uncomfortable truth [COLOR=rgb(235, 107, 86)][B](red)[/B][/COLOR]. Baudrillard’s “hyperreality” (and related ideas like simulation) argues that in modern media-saturated life, signs and models don’t merely represent reality — they can replace or outgrow the very reality they claim to describe. How useful is each worldview to your happiness? The pills do not build on one another and are not intersectional or compatible at all. [SIZE=5][B]The Bluepill[/B][/SIZE] The bluepill is "pill" jargon for naively accepting everything broadcast on mainstream media on human behaviour (dating) and real life. Bluepillers autistically take bad romantic plotlines seriously and do not see nuance. They believe in a just-world fallacy, virtue-signal their beliefs and attack uncomfortable truths. This is often destructive for those dealing with the uncomfortable truths and trying to grow out of those situations (dating ruts). [CENTER][ATTACH type="full" alt="american-media-is-owned-by-only-six-companies-bluepill.png"]18255[/ATTACH][/CENTER] The blackpill is a different type of the bluepill from a smaller subculture. It was first used by a commenter on an anti-feminist blog to describe political solutions to dating. It moves the focus from self-improvement to politics and the overton window, and [U]then back to mainstream media.[/U] [SIZE=5][B]The Redpill[/B][/SIZE] In the early 2000s, the PUA and “red pill” scene was largely an offline, peer-to-peer learning culture. The “practical” emphasis was on getting out and running reps — observing strangers, starting low-stakes conversations, learning how to read attraction/opposition in real time, and iterating fast — rather than abstract philosophy. If "touch grass" was a community of forums, it would have been the redpill between 2000 and 2010. Men traded practical advice and strategies on working out, fashion, social skills and dating. The early 2000s redpill scene (RSD, PUA etc.) was completely apolitical and focused on self-improvement and real life results. In 2010s things started to change and posters from [B][COLOR=rgb(235, 107, 86)]/pol/stein[/COLOR][/B] and stormfront started to raid the redpill spaces, the redpill gained a new meaning on top of rejecting the bluepill and dating advice. Online influencers and content creators started to join the new rejection of the bluepill and started to post their takes on the redpill. What began as an unplugged network of self-improvement communities was derailed by new influencers, political funding and podcasters. The new "redpillers" argue with women and debate politics. [SIZE=5][B]Thoughts[/B][/SIZE] [B]1. The "pills" change over time and do not mean the same things anymore.[/B] The "redpill" changed from practical PUAs to /pol/ posters and cringe podcasters and the "blackpill" evolved from defeatists to looksmaxxers who are more like the PUA 20 years ago than the original incels who rejected them. Everyone is selling their looksmaxxing protocol. The worldviews are not the same anymore. [B]2. The "pills" have no practical use anymore[/B] There's nothing stopping you from looking for practical dating advice online. Every dating coach has a social media channel and you can find what works for you. The old "redpillers" do not advertise as redpillers. It's cringe to use the pill jargon now because it has been completely taken over by blackpill [URL='https://elysianfields.se/threads/what-is-an-incel-what-is-incel-ideology.3959/']"incels"[/URL], [URL='https://elysianfields.se/threads/what-do-you-think-of-the-accelerationist-types.8747/']extremists[/URL] and cringe podcasters. If you use the jargon today you will be associated with Clavicular and Lamarcus's incel soft power. They're all incels and chuds now. [/QUOTE]
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