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<blockquote data-quote="Schwarzwald" data-source="post: 74096" data-attributes="member: 544">[ATTACH=full]14938[/ATTACH]I&#039;ve just been reading along as an outsider, so take this for what it&#039;s worth.It seems like you&#039;re both arguing about the label while the actual experience, chronic loneliness, undesired celibacy, whatever you want to call it, is sitting right there. Mentalatte says you&#039;re only an incel if you want to be, but from the outside, that sounds a lot like telling someone in a cage they&#039;re only a prisoner if they identify with the warden&#039;s language. The bars are biology, tech, social dynamics, not just self-identification.I&#039;m not trying to pick a side. I just wonder: does arguing over the definition help anyone who&#039;s actually struggling? Or does it just give everyone something to talk about instead of sitting with how miserable that reality is?I&#039;m not going to address the people who wear it a badge or shield even...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Schwarzwald, post: 74096, member: 544"] [ATTACH type="full" alt="images - 2026-04-11T132135.330.jpeg"]14938[/ATTACH] I've just been reading along as an outsider, so take this for what it's worth. It seems like you're both arguing about the label while the actual experience, chronic loneliness, undesired celibacy, whatever you want to call it, is sitting right there. Mentalatte says you're only an incel if you want to be, but from the outside, that sounds a lot like telling someone in a cage they're only a prisoner if they identify with the warden's language. The bars are biology, tech, social dynamics, not just self-identification. I'm not trying to pick a side. I just wonder: does arguing over the definition help anyone who's actually struggling? Or does it just give everyone something to talk about instead of sitting with how miserable that reality is? I'm not going to address the people who wear it a badge or shield even... [/QUOTE]

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