Discussion What is "inceldom"?

[Mentalatte]

What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"?

What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"? In social media and legacy media there are many references to: Incel culture ("jfl", "it's over", "sub5", "subhuman" etc.) Incel communities (*.is, other platforms etc.) "Incel ideology" (mentioned in the news) What is this "Incel ideology" which...

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What is "inceldom"?

According to legacy media and different social studies institutes it is an ideology and a subculture.

 

[Mentalatte]

I think we are speaking past each other. My case is that incel is a state, and your case it is a combination of those 2

@Rikoel I've created a thread for this now

 

[xaxs]

Like I said, by definition of the word, it's a state of being. When journalist are talking about it, they are treating it as a different entity. We are not talking about the same thing.

 

[Mentalatte]

Like I said, by definition of the word, it's a state of being. When journalist are talking about it, they are treating it as a different entity. We are not talking about the same thing.

Journalists are not the only the only people that define it as an ideology — ex-incels and non-incel manosphere define it as an ideology too

 

[xaxs]

Journalists are not the only the only people that define it as an ideology — ex-incels and non-incel manosphere define it as an ideology too

It's a deadlock argument at this point. It's 2 different things we are discussing. Let's just leave it at that.

 

[Mentalatte]

It's a deadlock argument at this point. It's 2 different things we are discussing. Let's just leave it at that.

I was trying to debate your choice of the word "incel" to describe being single / celibate for involuntary reasons. We can agree to disagree.

 

[johnvee]

Its men who dont want to better themselves and become engrained in a cycle of self pity and self hate, not wanting to improve themselves or date within their league, I could have a girlfriend tomorrow if I was desperate but I'm not, I dont know want someone fat and ugly on welfare with 3 kids because thats the type who show interest in me, I'm a fat fucker so why would some heavenly blessed beauty want me? I don't make much money so I can't score a gold digger, and my dick is average size so I cant score a size queen.

 

[xaxs]

I was trying to debate your choice of the word "incel" to describe being single / celibate for involuntary reasons. We can agree to disagree.

I'll just leave my last remarks on this topic. Yes, I would never call myself an incel in the outside world, because they treat it as an ideology. I would call myself "being single". But the fact of the matter is, incel is portmanteau for involuntary celibate, which is a state.

 

[bell]

I am an incel. It's easier for outside observers to treat "inceldom" as an attribute, more a variant of "misogynist" with a few other features. I had a friend once who was in my shoes (virgin, "love-shy", past teenagehood)--difference being that he was fairly good looking, had been on several dates and so on. I thus wouldn't call him an incel, even though he was "involuntarily celibate". At this point he probably has, I don't know. He was around twenty-something when I knew him.

It's easier to say that incels aren't trying hard enough or are self-sabotaging themselves, which is true, but I think it's a self-prophesying term, that "this person is subject to these circumstances because of a genetic failing," and all else falls into place. It's just easier to articulate it that way.

Also, a part of inceldom is neuroticism. There is a difference between healthy sexual obsession in adolescents and unhealthy sexual obsession in postadolescents. That doesn't translate into misogyny per se, but in any case it isn't a view of "equals".

 

[Mentalatte]

Incels in the incel culture use the word to describe being single / celibate for involuntary reasons. Other would be "incels" but not in the culture do not identify with the term and do not use it to describe other people in that situation.

The definition of "incel" also includes people who are single for being too young, too unestablished and too old. This means that most men have been "incel" for periods of their life.

 

[Mentalatte]

I am an incel.

How do you define "incel"?

It's easier for outside observers to treat "inceldom" as an attribute, more a variant of "misogynist" with a few other features

It's easier to say that incels aren't trying hard enough or are self-sabotaging themselves, which is true, but I think it's a self-prophesying term, that "this person is subject to these circumstances because of a genetic failing," and all else falls into place. It's just easier to articulate it that way.

Also, a part of inceldom is neuroticism. There is a difference between healthy sexual obsession in adolescents and unhealthy sexual obsession in postadolescents. That doesn't translate into misogyny per se, but in any case it isn't a view of "equals".

This proves the point that I'm trying to make. "incels" use the word to describe single people but they and the identity "incel" is associated with a lot of the attitudes from "incel" communities.

If I had a personal disaster and lost my ability to be in a relationship I wouldn't identify myself as an "incel".

 

[bell]

How do you define "incel"?

I am "involuntarily celibate", but I understand that that definition can't be used with any real precision. I don't know, I think it's one of those states where you "just know" if that makes sense.

This proves the point that I'm trying to make. "incels" use the word to describe single people but they and the identity "incel" is associated with a lot of the attitudes from "incel" communities.

If I had a personal disaster and lost my ability to be in a relationship I wouldn't identify myself as an "incel".

For one I am incapable of interacting with women. I don't think that's the same as just being "love-shy". I don't share any of their attitudes though, I like to form my own judgements on these things, even if there is a bit of unintended overlap.

If you had been in a relationship then that's proof that you have what it takes, or meet some nonarbitrary criteria. An incel is someone who has never had the opportunity to "grease their gills", he's alien to it all, his "inceldom" is a consequence of generally being washed out from the social organ. At least that's the case for me.

I live in a banlieue-styled area. A lot of local ownership has been gutted by township bureaucracy (high number of immigrant populations), reconverted into apartment blocs and roads which taper on endlessly. There's a town center, but that's mostly for older people. There are bars too, but people don't go there, or the people that do go there are much older or aren't looking to talk to you. It's almost as if my current circumstances were the product of an error in urban planning. I don't have any connections to old highschool friends anymore, and even in university I never took up the quest for "social mobility", I sort of hung my head in defeat and ended up washed out from academia. Anyway, identifying as an incel is usually an admission of defeat. Of course I can't predict where I'll end up in a few years, so maybe that'll change.

 

[bell]

Incels in the incel culture use the word to describe being single / celibate for involuntary reasons. Other would be "incels" but not in the culture do not identify with the term and do not use it to describe other people in that situation.

The definition of "incel" also includes people who are single for being too young, too unestablished and too old. This means that most men have been "incel" for periods of their life.

People don't expect younger people to be anything else. I wouldn't consider them "incels" but virgins, there aren't any obligations for them to have sex; the same is true for older people, I wouldn't think it uncommon for a guy in his late seventies to go years without sex, but the fact is that he at least had those experiences at some point. If he didn't, then I would consider him an incel.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Its men who dont want to better themselves and become engrained in a cycle of self pity and self hate, not wanting to improve themselves or date within their league, I could have a girlfriend tomorrow if I was desperate but I'm not, I dont know want someone fat and ugly on welfare with 3 kids because thats the type who show interest in me, I'm a fat fucker so why would some heavenly blessed beauty want me? I don't make much money so I can't score a gold digger, and my dick is average size so I cant score a size queen.

I’d argue inceldom is trying but still failing
Er did everything to improve himself but still came up short

 

[Mentalatte]

I’d argue inceldom is trying but still failing
Er did everything to improve himself but still came up short

ER had everything wrong with him mentally.

ER on his meaning

This is now my sole purpose on this world.

 

[GGWP]

It only really applies to neurodivergents in any meaningful capacity. 'Trucels' use the term 'involuntary celibacy' to refer to more than just sexlessness, it's common for incels to lament lack of any meaningful relationships in their lives, and sometimes a lack of friends too.

'Blackpill culture' is what those not engaged with the manosphere think incel culture is. It's propagated by grandiose narcissists and radical nihilists that come to fringe spaces to mock neurodivergent and ugly males with exaggerated stereotypes. Real incels are lolcows. The main issue is that instead of understanding this 'normies' laugh with the denigrating sociopaths and use it to affirm the devil bias on men they don't like, especially disabled men.

My definition: Inceldom is a phenomenon demarcated by (primarily) sharply rising autism rates (I'll leave it to you to speculate the root...) causing a disparity in life satisfaction and social mobility.

 

[Mentalatte]

It only really applies to neurodivergents in any meaningful capacity. 'Trucels' use the term 'involuntary celibacy' to refer to more than just sexlessness, it's common for incels to lament lack of any meaningful relationships in their lives, and sometimes a lack of friends too.

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'Blackpill culture' is what those not engaged with the manosphere think incel culture is. It's propagated by grandiose narcissists and radical nihilists that come to fringe spaces to mock neurodivergent and ugly males with exaggerated stereotypes. Real incels are lolcows. The main issue is that instead of understanding this 'normies' laugh with the denigrating sociopaths and use it to affirm the devil bias on men they don't like, especially disabled men.

So, bullying?

My definition: Inceldom is a phenomenon demarcated by (primarily) sharply rising autism rates (I'll leave it to you to speculate the root...) causing a disparity in life satisfaction and social mobility.

What's the root?

 

[johnvee]

I’d argue inceldom is trying but still failing
Er did everything to improve himself but still came up short

Issue is the incels I know make no attempt to better themself, you tell them to lose weight and they gain more. The incels I know just want to complain about the "pretty" girl who doesn't want him, I tell them to get someone fat and ugly but they still obsess over the "pretty" girls.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

My definition: Inceldom is a phenomenon demarcated by (primarily) sharply rising autism rates (I'll leave it to you to speculate the root...) causing a disparity in life satisfaction and social mobility.

There are broader socio-economic factors which have made the inceldom issue more salient and exaggerated it. I’ll expand upon this in a future thread.

But by incel are you referring to the individuals who participate in such communities on the internet or it’s more stringent definition?

 

[autistic_tendencies]

ER had everything wrong with him mentally.

ER on his meaning

So you saying his frame of mind and mental attitude are to blame

 

[Zozizo]

Issue is the incels I know make no attempt to better themself, you tell them to lose weight and they gain more. The incels I know just want to complain about the "pretty" girl who doesn't want him, I tell them to get someone fat and ugly but they still obsess over the "pretty" girls.

where do you start from 0 fat & ugly girls have same high standards as pretty girls i saw it in my own eyes

 

[Mentalatte]

So you saying his frame of mind and mental attitude are to blame

Frames and attitudes can be changed easily so that was not his problem. His looks were not his problem either.

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Elliot Rodger was a high functioning autist which needs outside help to succeed socially.

In August, I continued to build up my faith that I am destined to win the Mega millions jackpot.

From .org Both ER and light [yagami] have same breed of autism.

He had entitlement and jealousy problems that didn't get disciplined out early in life and he was already toxic and had violent tendencies years before he discovered PSL forums. The second quote is from when he was 19 years old two years before finding PSL.

By nature, I am a very jealous person, and at the age of nine my jealous nature sprung to the surface.

How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more.

He had violent fantasies at 17 four years before finding PSL.

Ever since my life took a very dark turn at the age of seventeen, I often had fantasies of how malevolently satisfying it would be to punish all of the popular kids and young couples for the crime of having a better life than me.

His personal ideology was developed by the time he discovered PSL a year before his attacks at 21 and then started posting.

The Spring of 2013 was also the time when I came across the website PUAHate.com

Sex is by far the most evil concept in existence.

No one deserves to experience so much pleasure, especially since some humans get to experience it while some are denied it.

Starvation from sex tortures the mind and the body.

He wasn't radicalized, he actually contributed and radicalized others.

 

[Mentalatte]

where do you start from 0 fat & ugly girls have same high standards as pretty girls i saw it in my own eyes

Incels and femcels have the same problem. There is a limit to failos before you become sub5 and compensating doesn't help.

You need to address the failos.

 

[Zozizo]

Incels and femcels have the same problem. There is a limit to failos before you become sub5 and compensating doesn't help.

You need to address the failos.

you can't do much tbh if you're not nt
better accept everything n cope embrace the whitepill

 

[Mentalatte]

What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"?

What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"? In social media and legacy media there are many references to: Incel culture ("jfl", "it's over", "sub5", "subhuman" etc.) Incel communities (*.is, other platforms etc.) "Incel ideology" (mentioned in the news) What is this "Incel ideology" which...

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Continuing on from this thread.

What is "inceldom"?

According to legacy media and different social studies institutes it is an ideology and a subculture.

Inceldom has a pride flag

Inceldom flag

The inceldom flag or inceldom pride flag is meant to represent involuntary celibate people. In order to forge a group identity, some incelists and ardent members...

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