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<blockquote data-quote="Schwarzwald" data-source="post: 79949" data-attributes="member: 544">For one it simply not just a woman choice, it may have been her choice to sleep with a man and let a man ejaculate into her. But by no mean is it her choice to just spontaneously get impregnated , its an automatic bodily function that she has little control over.She does have control over when she choices to have sex and if she choices to use a form of birth control, I wont be getting into the negative ramification of hormonal birth control for the sake of simplicity of this argument.The child doesn&#039;t spontaneously appear in the woman&#039;s womb. More over what about women who semen jack a male? it happens to young men more then it is talked about, by fucked up whores in high school a lot. not to mention for famous men.I have mentioned this before and ill do it again but i have an an-cap mind set on property and peoples right over it.This being said i don&#039;t think a woman can abort a child without consent from the husband, clearly in one night stand and a more casual intercourse the property ownership does get murky.and it all boils down to under what circumstances the this child get conserved under.Bottom line? if it&#039;s purely &quot;her body, her choice&quot; with zero input from the man, then it should be &quot;her body, her problem&quot; when it comes to child support too. Can&#039;t have it both ways. This whole debate exposes how retarded modern &quot;consent&quot; and responsibility have become. We&#039;re an advanced society that can&#039;t even handle basic carnal impulses without turning it into a culture war circus.Men should have a real say, especially if we&#039;re expected to pay up for 18+ years. Otherwise it&#039;s just state enforced cuckoldry with extra steps.and if i recall properly in the UK the woman can sue for child care if its not even the mans child?We have to admit we are retard cave people and continue to act the way we do or we need to be better.It&#039;s embarrassing. Like watching a grown ass adult with a PhD still shitting on the living room rug and then acting like it&#039;s a profound rights issue. &quot;But it&#039;s my colon, my choice!&quot;TLDR: The circumstances around abortion should have to involve both parties and before that it would have to be a danger to the mother or its self (IE born with birth defects)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Schwarzwald, post: 79949, member: 544"] For one it simply not just a woman choice, it may have been her choice to sleep with a man and let a man ejaculate into her. But by no mean is it her choice to just spontaneously get impregnated , its an automatic bodily function that she has little control over. She does have control over when she choices to have sex and if she choices to use a form of birth control, I wont be getting into the negative ramification of hormonal birth control for the sake of simplicity of this argument. The child doesn't spontaneously appear in the woman's womb. More over what about women who semen jack a male? it happens to young men more then it is talked about, by fucked up whores in high school a lot. not to mention for famous men. I have mentioned this before and ill do it again but i have an an-cap mind set on property and peoples right over it. This being said i don't think a woman can abort a child without consent from the husband, clearly in one night stand and a more casual intercourse the property ownership does get murky. and it all boils down to under what circumstances the this child get conserved under. Bottom line? if it's purely "her body, her choice" with zero input from the man, then it should be "her body, her problem" when it comes to child support too. Can't have it both ways. This whole debate exposes how retarded modern "consent" and responsibility have become. We're an advanced society that can't even handle basic carnal impulses without turning it into a culture war circus. Men should have a real say, especially if we're expected to pay up for 18+ years. Otherwise it's just state enforced cuckoldry with extra steps. and if i recall properly in the UK the woman can sue for child care if its not even the mans child? We have to admit we are retard cave people and continue to act the way we do or we need to be better. It's embarrassing. Like watching a grown ass adult with a PhD still shitting on the living room rug and then acting like it's a profound rights issue. "But it's my colon, my choice!" TLDR: The circumstances around abortion should have to involve both parties and before that it would have to be a danger to the mother or its self (IE born with birth defects) [/QUOTE]

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