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<blockquote data-quote="somethingtobelievein" data-source="post: 74784" data-attributes="member: 90">If you&#039;re doing that type of treatment then yeah they kinda did tbh.&nbsp; Whether they&#039;re specifically lying or not doesn&#039;t really matter, whoever is telling you it&#039;s a good idea is convincing you to take a losing bet. We talk about how trans commit suicide so much, and often the reason given from trans activists is that they aren&#039;t able to be &quot;themselves.&quot; Problem is that even when they get the transition surgery the suicide rate stays the same, so getting the &quot;confirmation&quot; doesn&#039;t help.&nbsp; Which makes sense. Thinking &#039;i shouldn&#039;t be male&#039; is a thought that comes from some kind of hurt or trauma. Even if you believe it, stick with me on the concept that you wouldn&#039;t have had to consider it without hurt or trauma. Consider then a hypothetical that shows up a lot: someone doing just fine in life who hates themselves and thinks badly of themselves. The traditional treatment is therapy or self reflection where you think through &#039;well if I factually think through things I&#039;m doing just as well or better than other people, so why is my brain telling me I&#039;m a piece of shit?&#039; then the person is supposed to figure out &#039;oh yeah when I was an impressionable kid my parent did xyz to make me think I needed to be extremely successful or I&#039;d be a disappointment. So I guess my self hatred is not based in reality and I should train myself to view things more factually.&#039; But then someone comes in and says &#039;I&#039;m a man but my brain says I shouldn&#039;t be,&#039; we&#039;ve started saying, &quot;sure, here are meds to try and fight your biology and a bill.&quot; It&#039;s something we&#039;ll look back on like lobotomies or leeching and realize it was not the proper way to treat identity crisis. Just my 2c. I hope things are able to get better, regardless.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="somethingtobelievein, post: 74784, member: 90"] If you're doing that type of treatment then yeah they kinda did tbh. Whether they're specifically lying or not doesn't really matter, whoever is telling you it's a good idea is convincing you to take a losing bet. We talk about how trans commit suicide so much, and often the reason given from trans activists is that they aren't able to be "themselves." Problem is that even when they get the transition surgery the suicide rate stays the same, so getting the "confirmation" doesn't help. Which makes sense. Thinking 'i shouldn't be male' is a thought that comes from some kind of hurt or trauma. Even if you believe it, stick with me on the concept that you wouldn't have had to consider it without hurt or trauma. Consider then a hypothetical that shows up a lot: someone doing just fine in life who hates themselves and thinks badly of themselves. The traditional treatment is therapy or self reflection where you think through 'well if I factually think through things I'm doing just as well or better than other people, so why is my brain telling me I'm a piece of shit?' then the person is supposed to figure out 'oh yeah when I was an impressionable kid my parent did xyz to make me think I needed to be extremely successful or I'd be a disappointment. So I guess my self hatred is not based in reality and I should train myself to view things more factually.' But then someone comes in and says 'I'm a man but my brain says I shouldn't be,' we've started saying, "sure, here are meds to try and fight your biology and a bill." It's something we'll look back on like lobotomies or leeching and realize it was not the proper way to treat identity crisis. Just my 2c. I hope things are able to get better, regardless. [/QUOTE]

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