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<blockquote data-quote="wait whattt? :o" data-source="post: 74820" data-attributes="member: 564">Key word: usually.Back in high school, when I had longer hair (down to about my shoulders) and the school demanded we wear masks, many mistook me for a girl. In fact, even after taking off my mask, some were still unsure. And do not hit me with the &quot;you were just underdeveloped&quot; bullshit, because I pretty much look the same as I was in high school (baby face genes :/).Anyway, I will be honest, your &quot;logic&quot; was pretty much bullshit. You suggested that the &quot;logical&quot; thing to do was to send people who are &quot;upset&quot; or &quot;distressed&quot; by their perceived gender to therapy because it is usually by &quot;trauma&quot; or &quot;influence that promotes&quot; here:This paper on gender dysphoria seems to suggest it&#039;s more than just &quot;trauma&quot; or &quot;influence&quot; though:Source: <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9501960/" target="_blank">Gender Dysphoria and Its Non-Surgical and Surgical Treatments</a>So, you&#039;re right, history of trauma, as well as other parent related issues are related, though this not nearly enough from the looks of it. Framing it as if it is only due to trauma or otherwise is too reductive, and you did not even cite anything to back this up, but you expect [USER=25]@GripMaxxing[/USER] to cite stuff (I honestly hate that we have to debate her existence).Here, you hilariously show that you don&#039;t even understand how treatment of gender dysphoria actually works:You claim they don&#039;t go through therapy and suggest that they just &quot;fight their biology&quot;, except they do...Source: same paper as cited aboveThey literally go through therapy. In fact, it&#039;s usually the first step. Why? Because gender confusion and ambiguity is normal, so one must first ACTUALLY go through therapy and be diagnosed with gender dysphoria before any of this even happens. This is at least the case in established health care systems. I don&#039;t know how it is everywhere, but this is how it should be anyway because, well, you don&#039;t want false alarms, right?Oh, and how do they diagnose you with gender dysphoria? Well, just like any diagnosis, they do it through the <a href="https://www.physio-pedia.com/images/1/1b/Diagnostic_and_statistical_manual_of_mental_disorders_DSM-5_(_PDFDrive.com_).pdf" target="_blank">DSM-5</a> (I believe they released the DSM-6 now but I can&#039;t find access to it). You can find the entry on &quot;Gender Dysphoria&quot; in page 496 (PDF) or page 451 in the book itself. So they DO recognize it as some sort of mental disorder.By the way, I just want to say real quick: I knew none of this information prior to posting this. I looked it up and it was JUST there before me. I didn&#039;t even know they had a non-operative treatment before the operative treatments. What I am trying to say is: all it took was a simple search and you could&#039;ve seen the truth, but I honestly don&#039;t think you actually care to know about this, so I find it laughable how confidently incorrect you decided to be today because, idk, you find trans people ugly or something? Who knows? <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤣" title="Rolling on the floor laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :rofl:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" data-shortname=":rofl:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="wait whattt? :o, post: 74820, member: 564"] Key word: usually. Back in high school, when I had longer hair (down to about my shoulders) and the school demanded we wear masks, many mistook me for a girl. In fact, even after taking off my mask, some were still unsure. And do not hit me with the "you were just underdeveloped" bullshit, because I pretty much look the same as I was in high school (baby face genes :/). Anyway, I will be honest, your "logic" was pretty much bullshit. You suggested that the "logical" thing to do was to send people who are "upset" or "distressed" by their perceived gender to therapy because it is usually by "trauma" or "influence that promotes" here: This paper on gender dysphoria seems to suggest it's more than just "trauma" or "influence" though: Source: [URL='https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9501960/']Gender Dysphoria and Its Non-Surgical and Surgical Treatments[/URL] So, you're right, history of trauma, as well as other parent related issues are related, though this not nearly enough from the looks of it. Framing it as if it is only due to trauma or otherwise is too reductive, and you did not even cite anything to back this up, but you expect [USER=25]@GripMaxxing[/USER] to cite stuff (I honestly hate that we have to debate her existence). Here, you hilariously show that you don't even understand how treatment of gender dysphoria actually works: You claim they don't go through therapy and suggest that they just "fight their biology", except they do... Source: same paper as cited above They literally go through therapy. In fact, it's usually the first step. Why? Because gender confusion and ambiguity is normal, so one must first ACTUALLY go through therapy and be diagnosed with gender dysphoria before any of this even happens. This is at least the case in established health care systems. I don't know how it is everywhere, but this is how it should be anyway because, well, you don't want false alarms, right? Oh, and how do they diagnose you with gender dysphoria? Well, just like any diagnosis, they do it through the [URL='https://www.physio-pedia.com/images/1/1b/Diagnostic_and_statistical_manual_of_mental_disorders_DSM-5_(_PDFDrive.com_).pdf']DSM-5[/URL] (I believe they released the DSM-6 now but I can't find access to it). You can find the entry on "Gender Dysphoria" in page 496 (PDF) or page 451 in the book itself. So they DO recognize it as some sort of mental disorder. By the way, I just want to say real quick: I knew none of this information prior to posting this. I looked it up and it was JUST there before me. I didn't even know they had a non-operative treatment before the operative treatments. What I am trying to say is: all it took was a simple search and you could've seen the truth, but I honestly don't think you actually care to know about this, so I find it laughable how confidently incorrect you decided to be today because, idk, you find trans people ugly or something? Who knows? 🤣 [/QUOTE]

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