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<blockquote data-quote="wait whattt? :o" data-source="post: 74920" data-attributes="member: 564"><p>Since both "gender" and "biological sex" are synonymous to you, would this then be an appropriate definition of "gender" and "biological sex" for you?</p><p></p><p>Source: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex" target="_blank">Sex - Wikipedia</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Quite honestly, this is irrelevant to me. I do not care if modern understanding of "gender" is not even a century old. I do not judge understanding or frameworks based on their longevity and neither do you. Why? Because this is false:</p><p></p><p>You are essentially suggesting that this is a modern idea, when it is not. Demonstrably so:</p><p></p><p>Source: <a href="https://ovid.lib.virginia.edu/trans/Metamorph9.htm#483366551" target="_blank">Metamorphoses Book IX</a></p><p></p><p>This is the story of Iphis, a person born a girl but raised as a boy. Iphis, on the day "she" was to marry "her" lover, Iphis was changed into a man by Isis. This, once again, information I didn't know but I now know thanks to you XD</p><p>Point is, this is not new. A person presenting as the gender opposite to their sex has existed a long time ago. This stuff has existed in other cultures, not just Greek. </p><p>"This idea of 'gender' is a recent invention" is not an argument against it because it's wrong and, to me, it's irrelevant because it does not dictate what makes a certain perspective or framework valid.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyway, this is not the direction I want to go. Where I want to focus on is your definition of "gender" or "biological sex" since you consider them the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wait whattt? :o, post: 74920, member: 564"] Since both "gender" and "biological sex" are synonymous to you, would this then be an appropriate definition of "gender" and "biological sex" for you? Source: [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex']Sex - Wikipedia[/URL] Quite honestly, this is irrelevant to me. I do not care if modern understanding of "gender" is not even a century old. I do not judge understanding or frameworks based on their longevity and neither do you. Why? Because this is false: You are essentially suggesting that this is a modern idea, when it is not. Demonstrably so: Source: [URL='https://ovid.lib.virginia.edu/trans/Metamorph9.htm#483366551']Metamorphoses Book IX[/URL] This is the story of Iphis, a person born a girl but raised as a boy. Iphis, on the day "she" was to marry "her" lover, Iphis was changed into a man by Isis. This, once again, information I didn't know but I now know thanks to you XD Point is, this is not new. A person presenting as the gender opposite to their sex has existed a long time ago. This stuff has existed in other cultures, not just Greek. "This idea of 'gender' is a recent invention" is not an argument against it because it's wrong and, to me, it's irrelevant because it does not dictate what makes a certain perspective or framework valid. Anyway, this is not the direction I want to go. Where I want to focus on is your definition of "gender" or "biological sex" since you consider them the same. [/QUOTE]
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