Philosophy Why do you think suicide is stigmatized/evil?

[Rikoel]

I did see a thread on .org that talked about it, where there were arguments about how religion viewing it as a sin essentially made it "evil", or utilitarianism argument on it.

I see it a bit differently. It's bit of a nuanced argument and maybe you could say it's too philosophical, but someone said it was somewhat interesting, so I'll share it briefly.

My take:

I think it's seen as "taboo/evil/stigmatized", as it's essentially a reversal of moral obligation. When you're born, you're assigned obligations to life before you even know how to think. These obligation I would categorize as:

1. Biological Debt: Your heartbeat is a loan -> repay it through perseverance
2. The Social Debt: Others invested in you -> suicide would betray that
3. Potential Debt: Your unwritten future binds you to the present

These aren't natural laws, but stories we tell to make suffering bearable. Suicide forces us to question, what happens when these fail?

And the core of my argument, inversion of moral obligation happens when, some fundamental human needs remains chronically unmet.

• Freedom from unrelenting pain (physical/mental)
• Capacity for meaningful connection
• Future seems too bleak

When these foundation crumble the debtor-creditor relationship flips

Society's story	The reversed truth
"You owe life endurance"	"Life owed you livable conditions"
Suicide as a moral failure	Suicide as a evidence of systemic failure
Duty to suffer	Right to refuse unredeemed agony

And suicide disturbs us as it exposes the machinery of our suffering-justification

And the uncomfortable truth is that our entire moral economy depends on suffering being convertible into meaning. When someone demonstrates by suicide that their suffering couldn't be be converted. It threatens the currency we all trade in. That's where the stigma comes from, not just fear but threat to narrative collapse.

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Maybe this is a bad take idk, I don't read any philosophy other than watch random videos, or read a small snippet. But yeah, share your own views or criticize this as you want.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

We are placed in this realm to fulfill a purpose , self deleting is like giving up the game ,

 

[Loner]

I don’t owe anyone shit cuz I never asked to be born

 

[VioletBlast]

There is no such thing as evil it’s a made up term for low iq ppl who are controlled by fear so use evil as a place holder for fear. Fear is a emotion. Simple as. Not sure why people would care about suicide so much. Religion wants money and uses “value” as a place holder. You committing Suicide is one less customer for them.

 

[bell]

Never acked myself because it would have required me to have cared a lot more about living and non-living than I actually do. A lot of the prescriptions people feel comfortable in arise from a moralistic worldview. And a lot of people won't be too charitable in hearing in on justifications which might be seen as reprisal to these prescriptions, as when an individual claims that suicide can be rational and not entirely pathological.

As an aside, I've been thinking about hereditarianism a lot, which I think ties back into this inasmuch as suicide would become a "birthright" for the genetically inferior. Though I can't say I can confirm that intuition through anything other than what the woke called my "lived experience".

 

[GGWP]

Natural selection. Killing yourself reduces the probability of you passing on genes (also in a group context with shared genetics it reduces the genetic success of your cohort). There was a strong selection pressure to disincentivize self-termination, at least before passing on genetics. Furthermore even for non-reproducing beta males and post-coital reproducers, selection pressure would've been in place as those who stuck around to rear the children of others in their tribe would've contributed to the proliferation of shared genetics. At least, this is the view of evolutionary psychology.

There is no such thing as evil it’s a made up term for low iq ppl who are controlled by fear so use evil as a place holder for fear. Fear is a emotion. Simple as. Not sure why people would care about suicide so much. Religion wants money and uses “value” as a place holder. You committing Suicide is one less customer for them.

Evil does exist, it's the opposite of life.
Mutual control is symbiosis, which is a beautiful thing.

 

[Waco]

Probably because suicide traumatises family members or passerby normies if you're doing it in public.

 

[DOA]

Probably because those who off themselves can no longer contribute to the soycity and can no longer enable the elites lifestyle.

 

[Latinus]

Not only I support antinatalism, but I also support that suicide shouldn't be taboo and that people should be free to take their own lives without being judged.

Suicide being stigmatized is a mix of religion + moral obligation as you pointed.

There's the idea that anyone that commits suicide will go to hell. I'm not sure if the bibble really say it or if it was something that the catholic church coined to better control the masses (there's nothing worse than the idea of being eternally punished in an extremely hot place).

Social conditioning - we're expected to celebrate life, so when someone commits suicide, (s)he is kind of broke of that social conditioning we're programmed to follow. Family pressure also plays a big role. The first argument against suicide is "your parents/family will suffer, you're being selfish for making them suffer", well, I think it's even more selfish to think someone HAS to live just to feed your feelings and ego.

Life in itself is a prision (even if you're born rich and chad, bad things might happen and the fragility of humans and all social condicionings also applies to them, even if they have the resources and social credit to make them more tolerable), most people around the world have bad and limited lives, so suicide gets rid of all this suffering and boring mundane existence.

 

[Asgard]

Because you'd be essentially trying to break through the illusory iron bars of this physical "prison"... call it a simulation, an actual "prison planet" or whatever term fits your vision. Most people go through death but they're lost without having achieved inner enlightenment (believing you are more than a body). This is why my goal is to reach the apple on top of the Tree of Life's canopy and savor it; listen to the serpent and certainly not the "god" from above or below.

You'll go to hell if you ever dare to take your own "life"! Focus on your work, remain silent and suffer with no purpose for decades!

As for myself, I do believe we are more than just a mere vessel of flesh and bone.

 

[Asgard]

If I were in your shoes, I'd completely focus your "life" on meditation and learning to truly navigate beyond the prison of flesh and bone (astral projection). Don't take "life" too seriously, do not "grind" too much because at the end of the day, everything will end with You in a blink of an eye (the perception of time is our worst illusion). And for me, the most important lesson here is to learn to "detach" your mind from the earthly pleasures (self-explanatory)... to a certain extent (outer input will always come through your nerve strings... unless you self-terminate the body "you" are trapped in).

 

[Asgard]

Not only I support antinatalism, but I also support that suicide shouldn't be taboo and that people should be free to take their own lives without being judged.

We have been subjugated by the "evil" itself for millennia. Call it god, an architect or the source. But the duality of good and evil could essentially be irrelevant constructs created by "humans" or... arbitrary rules imposed by the "source" to, again, subjugate and steer "humans" towards a certain direction. Free will is, after all, a sweet lie wrapped in wax paper. Again, this sounds like a prison to me.

Nonetheless, I myself still lean towards the simulation explanation. Not in the sense of a computerized simulation, but something entirely different that escapes our capacity of understanding.