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<blockquote data-quote="GGWP" data-source="post: 36709" data-attributes="member: 93">Thanks! I have never seriously considered spirituality but after reading into philosophy I think there is value in detaching yourself from a worldly way of viewing things. A lot of Guenon&#039;s writings talk about how spatial properties of our world are really just observable, material phenomena of a greater spiritual manifold that only a few select can abstractly visualize because it requires observing nature as it is without material preconception. Science then would be akin to measuring a rock to find &#039;hardness&#039; and going into this long explanation about covalent bonds and Mohs scales without actually considering &#039;why is it hard?&#039;, &#039;why does hardness exist in this rock in particular, what is the base principle governing hardness?&#039;, &#039;why does such a distinction exist, why is the archetype of rock presented as hard?&#039;, I don&#039;t know if I got the point across but it&#039;s to do with the spiritual underlying principle of why a concept exists rather than the representation of it in a material plane; I do think the material world has made leaps and bounds which might muddle the waters with 20th century Guenonian metaphysic somewhat but I digress. Any esoteric society worth their salt loves spiritual traditionalism (I&#039;m thinking of the Sufis, the Kabbalists, the Hermeticists).I&#039;m not trolling! I try and keep an open mind about these things.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GGWP, post: 36709, member: 93"] Thanks! I have never seriously considered spirituality but after reading into philosophy I think there is value in detaching yourself from a worldly way of viewing things. A lot of Guenon's writings talk about how spatial properties of our world are really just observable, material phenomena of a greater spiritual manifold that only a few select can abstractly visualize because it requires observing nature as it is without material preconception. Science then would be akin to measuring a rock to find 'hardness' and going into this long explanation about covalent bonds and Mohs scales without actually considering 'why is it hard?', 'why does hardness exist in this rock in particular, what is the base principle governing hardness?', 'why does such a distinction exist, why is the archetype of rock [I]presented [/I]as hard?', I don't know if I got the point across but it's to do with the spiritual underlying principle of why a concept exists rather than the representation of it in a material plane; I do think the material world has made leaps and bounds which might muddle the waters with 20th century Guenonian metaphysic somewhat but I digress. Any esoteric society worth their salt loves spiritual traditionalism (I'm thinking of the Sufis, the Kabbalists, the Hermeticists). I'm not trolling! I try and keep an open mind about these things. [/QUOTE]

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