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You recognize your post surgery self as your true self even in situations where it doesn't apply

The Enlightened One
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I had an underbite and had a trimax which included maxillary advancement with a lefort

Prior to the surgery, my philtrum may have been a fraction longer than ideal, but because I had a very tall chin it wasn't noticeable

With the surgery, my chin was vertically reduced meaning the philtrum looked longer relative to my total lower third height and my philtrum also became more full looking from the maxilla being advanced.

Effectively my philtrum is outside of the ideal range post surgery but not really a notable failo since all of the other benefits far outweigh any drawbacks, there is just an unnatural look to a post lefort philtrum with no lip projection

It's my plan to move to a Nordic country and from examining the foids there on dating apps, one of the more common flaws the foids have there is a long philtrum, probably caused mostly from nose being too short but it's also just part of the pheno oftentimes

This had me thinking that despite seeing nordic foids as ideal, I would have to avoid the ones with a long philtrum as that could create a death sentence failo for potential offspring.

But then I remembered that my post surgery philtrum appearance isn't my actual true philtrum appearance that will be passed on and if my maxilla developed forward naturally rather than being moved forward artificially in adulthood, it may have maintained a shorter vertical height as I also need to factor in how my front incisors were pulled down several milimetres with orthodontics which also contributes to philtrum length appearance.

In otherwards, I was imagining passing on a failo that may not even be present in my genetic code if no bite deformity arises

I'm not someone who ended up with a long philtrum while developing normally with a normal class 1 occlusion
My philtrum prominence is a result of orthodontics and surgery
Reproducing with a foid with a longer than average philtrum wouldn't be ideal but may not be a guaranteed death sentence for the offspring
 
Chill Borderline
Joined
Oct 7, 2024
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I had an underbite and had a trimax which included maxillary advancement with a lefort

Prior to the surgery, my philtrum may have been a fraction longer than ideal, but because I had a very tall chin it wasn't noticeable

With the surgery, my chin was vertically reduced meaning the philtrum looked longer relative to my total lower third height and my philtrum also became more full looking from the maxilla being advanced.

Effectively my philtrum is outside of the ideal range post surgery but not really a notable failo since all of the other benefits far outweigh any drawbacks, there is just an unnatural look to a post lefort philtrum with no lip projection

It's my plan to move to a Nordic country and from examining the foids there on dating apps, one of the more common flaws the foids have there is a long philtrum, probably caused mostly from nose being too short but it's also just part of the pheno oftentimes

This had me thinking that despite seeing nordic foids as ideal, I would have to avoid the ones with a long philtrum as that could create a death sentence failo for potential offspring.

But then I remembered that my post surgery philtrum appearance isn't my actual true philtrum appearance that will be passed on and if my maxilla developed forward naturally rather than being moved forward artificially in adulthood, it may have maintained a shorter vertical height as I also need to factor in how my front incisors were pulled down several milimetres with orthodontics which also contributes to philtrum length appearance.

In otherwards, I was imagining passing on a failo that may not even be present in my genetic code if no bite deformity arises

I'm not someone who ended up with a long philtrum while developing normally with a normal class 1 occlusion
My philtrum prominence is a result of orthodontics and surgery
Reproducing with a foid with a longer than average philtrum wouldn't be ideal but may not be a guaranteed death sentence for the offspring
There is no 'true self'. There is no core identity. There is a just a bundle of self-referential thoughts that call themselves "self from the present moment", and attack another set of self-referential thoughts that call themselves "self from the past". That's what 'you' are doing here.

I would think that this experience of recognizing something as 'truth' and the other as 'false' is mediated by pleasure alone. The mind has this tendency to reify itself around pleasure and reject pain. This identity is primarily constructed around this dynamic.

Don't get too caught up in thought.
 
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