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<blockquote data-quote="6ft4" data-source="post: 55067" data-attributes="member: 357">I had an underbite and had a trimax which included maxillary advancement with a lefortPrior to the surgery, my philtrum may have been a fraction longer than ideal, but because I had a very tall chin it wasn&#039;t noticeable With the surgery, my chin was vertically reduced meaning the philtrum looked longer relative to my total lower third height and my philtrum also became more full looking from the maxilla being advanced. Effectively my philtrum is outside of the ideal range post surgery but not really a notable failo since all of the other benefits far outweigh any drawbacks, there is just an unnatural look to a post lefort philtrum with no lip projection It&#039;s my plan to move to a Nordic country and from examining the foids there on dating apps, one of the more common flaws the foids have there is a long philtrum, probably caused mostly from nose being too short but it&#039;s also just part of the pheno oftentimesThis had me thinking that despite seeing nordic foids as ideal, I would have to avoid the ones with a long philtrum as that could create a death sentence failo for potential offspring.But then I remembered that my post surgery philtrum appearance isn&#039;t my actual true philtrum appearance that will be passed on and if my maxilla developed forward naturally rather than being moved forward artificially in adulthood, it may have maintained a shorter vertical height as I also need to factor in how my front incisors were pulled down several milimetres with orthodontics which also contributes to philtrum length appearance. In otherwards, I was imagining passing on a failo that may not even be present in my genetic code if no bite deformity arisesI&#039;m not someone who ended up with a long philtrum while developing normally with a normal class 1 occlusion My philtrum prominence is a result of orthodontics and surgery Reproducing with a foid with a longer than average philtrum wouldn&#039;t be ideal but may not be a guaranteed death sentence for the offspring</blockquote>

[QUOTE="6ft4, post: 55067, member: 357"] I had an underbite and had a trimax which included maxillary advancement with a lefort Prior to the surgery, my philtrum may have been a fraction longer than ideal, but because I had a very tall chin it wasn't noticeable With the surgery, my chin was vertically reduced meaning the philtrum looked longer relative to my total lower third height and my philtrum also became more full looking from the maxilla being advanced. Effectively my philtrum is outside of the ideal range post surgery but not really a notable failo since all of the other benefits far outweigh any drawbacks, there is just an unnatural look to a post lefort philtrum with no lip projection It's my plan to move to a Nordic country and from examining the foids there on dating apps, one of the more common flaws the foids have there is a long philtrum, probably caused mostly from nose being too short but it's also just part of the pheno oftentimes This had me thinking that despite seeing nordic foids as ideal, I would have to avoid the ones with a long philtrum as that could create a death sentence failo for potential offspring. But then I remembered that my post surgery philtrum appearance isn't my actual true philtrum appearance that will be passed on and if my maxilla developed forward naturally rather than being moved forward artificially in adulthood, it may have maintained a shorter vertical height as I also need to factor in how my front incisors were pulled down several milimetres with orthodontics which also contributes to philtrum length appearance. In otherwards, I was imagining passing on a failo that may not even be present in my genetic code if no bite deformity arises I'm not someone who ended up with a long philtrum while developing normally with a normal class 1 occlusion My philtrum prominence is a result of orthodontics and surgery Reproducing with a foid with a longer than average philtrum wouldn't be ideal but may not be a guaranteed death sentence for the offspring [/QUOTE]

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