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Spirituality @GGWP is a mirror of myself.

A word is just a word
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I don't know anything about him, but I do know something about myself thanks to him. Reading his posts made me feel hate and resentment, but deep down this reflects a reality of my psyche.


My tendency to intellectualize everything. To not connect with my emotions and the present moment completely, always getting lost in the words, and not in the experience. Of demanding rationality from the irrational.
 
In Another Worldline...
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I don't know anything about him, but I do know something about myself thanks to him. Reading his posts made me feel hate and resentment, but deep down this reflects a reality of my psyche.


My tendency to intellectualize everything. To not connect with my emotions and the present moment completely, always getting lost in the words, and not in the experience. Of demanding rationality from the irrational.
I think the way you supplement your ego is to embrace spirituality, therefore negating any harsh truths by placing yourself spiritually above them. My method of dealing with my ego and harsh truths is to frame them through biologically determined metaheuristics instead of real threats to my being, we are both engaging in moral relativism in order to surpass our past traumas, but yours has a spiritual element whereas I pursue rigid materialism because I'm disenchanted and can't imagine a spiritual element in my life. This is where we deviate in our subjective interpretation of events.

My view is that people with different genetic quirks can comprehend different truths and that interpretation of 'truth' is subjective and based on the cognitive architecture of an individual, so there's nothing to say that my realism/materialism is more 'real' than your spirituality, they are a different interpretation of the same natural phenomena using different language. I'm a big fan of Taoism which is all about how the observer and subject can't be separated.

I think this has some consequences for science in general which masquerades as objective truth in the absence of the very concept(!). Really it should be called local engineering principles because science is almost always used teleologically, that is, to make things, or to 'understand' something which is not objective at all and very homo sapien. Both religion and science condition the soul in different ways; are subjectively human (teleological). Whereas religion engineers self-actualization through spiritual understanding, scientific rationalism engineers it through a projection of empirical certainty.

I do touch upon it in my thread here:
That really my way of breaking things down into scientific rationalism is flawed, it's an aesthetic strategy that is not necessarily more 'valid' than religion, but people dogmatically believe in the science because it 'bears fruits'. I point out that there is a bit of hypocrisy here because science is just as much cognitively biased to the rigid lawmaking of certain genotypes as religiosity is to other genotypical expressions (namely COMT, VMAT2 or 5-HTTLPR), and therefore the scientific aesthetic represents the reign of ideas from a certain genetic caste rather than the 'truth' it masquerades as. The nomenclature/spread of scientific rationalism has implications for how the doctrine shapes understanding and culture, which is why this argument is so relevant.

TLDR; I think your approach and ideas are just as valid as mine, we are interpreting the same events differently. I do really like spirituality like Taoism, so don't be dissuaded by my walls of text.
 
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A word is just a word
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I think the way you supplement your ego is to embrace spirituality, therefore negating any harsh truths by placing yourself spiritually above them.
To negate harsh truths? I don't know. It seems for me that this is all just a process of psychological unravelling that frees from mental suffering, but there is no negation of harsh truths, but a different way of relating to them. I have recognized painful things related to the possiblity of never having a partner, but the thing is that it is all about relationship to these facts. Specially, when you know that there is no center of consciousness in the brain or no central self, so it is all a macinery of different psychological manifestations each with its own motives and difficulties.

It is obviously initiated by ego, as it is an attempt at self-preservation, but it works!
My method of dealing with my ego and harsh truths is to frame them through biologically determined metaheuristics instead of real threats to my being, we are both engaging in moral relativism in order to surpass our past traumas, but yours has a spiritual element whereas I pursue rigid materialism because I'm disenchanted and can't imagine a spiritual element in my life. This is where we deviate in our subjective interpretation of events.
I see no difference between you and me really. This is everything that I've been doing all the time: to "surpass" biological conditioning to not allow my body-mind system to not get into a depressed state just because it cannot fix into the arbitrary standards imposed by nature. To make aware the manifestations of this present conditioning seems to be very similar for me as "to frame them through biologically determined metaheuristics instead of real threats to my being".

I've been doing all of this without involvement of metaphysical things. Honestly, non-duality doesn't require it, and neuroscience validates it too. So that's good. Plus, I'm a big fan of philosophical pessimism, so I understand the disechanment too!
TLDR; I think your approach and ideas are just as valid as mine, we are interpreting the same events differently. I do really like spirituality like Taoism, so don't be dissuaded by my walls of text.
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