Discussion What makes this forum worth keeping in your opinion?

[LaserGunPewPew]

Bro, ts the only forum I use at this point (other than the ones for music recording, videotape, photography, and language learning)

What language learning forums are there?

 

[Archibald]

What language learning forums are there?

Don’t ask me, I only use one for learning Mandarin Chinese and nothing else.

 

[LaserGunPewPew]

Don’t ask me, I only use one for learning Mandarin Chinese and nothing else.

Forums are too slow for me for language learning. Though discords have their downsides too. Are you also supplementing with HSK textbooks? I'm not that far into Mandarin yet.

 

[Apollo]

Don’t ask me, I only use one for learning Mandarin Chinese and nothing else.

Yeah discord is top tier for everyone on language learning, improved my english at 15 thanks to

 

[Latinus]

Compared to other forums, people here actually make an effort to create posts that aren't just one line or "I loved your post".

I like quality and deepness.

 

[6ft4]

Can you just ban people who shitpost or come here to start pointless arguments?
Admittedly I haven't posted here much or provided the volume of high effort threads that I could have but I think it is worth keeping the forum open as an alternative to others.
Despite me being against pointless arguments I'd be happy to attempt to bully shitposters off the forum if they're ruining the vibe.
While bad posters are in the minority it should be easier to get rid of them in theory if they are made aware their low IQ shitposts aren't welcome
When shitposters become the majority of posters however it's an unstoppable tumour and worth shutting the forum down
Maybe the quality of poster attracted to these spaces has gone to shit with the influx of tiktok normies trickling down to even niche forums

 

[cosmicx16]

Forums are too slow for me for language learning. Though discords have their downsides too. Are you also supplementing with HSK textbooks? I'm not that far into Mandarin yet.

Why do you want to learn Chinese?

 

[Fantasea]

Can you just ban people who shitpost or come here to start pointless arguments?
Admittedly I haven't posted here much or provided the volume of high effort threads that I could have but I think it is worth keeping the forum open as an alternative to others.
Despite me being against pointless arguments I'd be happy to attempt to bully shitposters off the forum if they're ruining the vibe.
While bad posters are in the minority it should be easier to get rid of them in theory if they are made aware their low IQ shitposts aren't welcome
When shitposters become the majority of posters however it's an unstoppable tumour and worth shutting the forum down
Maybe the quality of poster attracted to these spaces has gone to shit with the influx of tiktok normies trickling down to even niche forums

 

[Queen Belle]

Can you just ban people who shitpost or come here to start pointless arguments?
Admittedly I haven't posted here much or provided the volume of high effort threads that I could have but I think it is worth keeping the forum open as an alternative to others.
Despite me being against pointless arguments I'd be happy to attempt to bully shitposters off the forum if they're ruining the vibe.
While bad posters are in the minority it should be easier to get rid of them in theory if they are made aware their low IQ shitposts aren't welcome
When shitposters become the majority of posters however it's an unstoppable tumour and worth shutting the forum down
Maybe the quality of poster attracted to these spaces has gone to shit with the influx of tiktok normies trickling down to even niche forums

We will be more personal and aggressively tackle these users. Feel fre to report and send a thorough message what needs to be done to a user who is bothering you

There is an ignore option. Some people view flamewars as really bad.
Im a shitposter. Im sorry if you cant ignore me.
The reason we have low IQ users is because people namedrop EF on .is and and .org
I have asked to make it against the rules to advertise publicly on these forums.
You think we have tictok normies on here wtf?

 

[LaserGunPewPew]

Can you just ban people who shitpost or come here to start pointless arguments?
Admittedly I haven't posted here much or provided the volume of high effort threads that I could have but I think it is worth keeping the forum open as an alternative to others.
Despite me being against pointless arguments I'd be happy to attempt to bully shitposters off the forum if they're ruining the vibe.
While bad posters are in the minority it should be easier to get rid of them in theory if they are made aware their low IQ shitposts aren't welcome
When shitposters become the majority of posters however it's an unstoppable tumour and worth shutting the forum down
Maybe the quality of poster attracted to these spaces has gone to shit with the influx of tiktok normies trickling down to even niche forums

That's over half the site, unfortunately. As well as incels, looksmax, the main wiki community, etc. I do think the white pill in particular should be divorced from all that and as such, should have new members vetted. As Warren Vidic said, "cut out the tumor, but fail to treat the source and . . . you're merely buying time at best."

 

[cosmicx16]

@LaserGunPewPew so why do you want to learn chinese? Or do you have me ignored?

 

[6ft4]

We will be more personal and aggressively tackle these users. Feel fre to report and send a thorough message what needs to be done to a user who is bothering you

There is an ignore option. Some people view flamewars as really bad.
Im a shitposter. Im sorry if you cant ignore me.

I don't browse the threads on here often enough to have an opinion on any users here for their posts

The reason we have low IQ users is because people namedrop EF on .is and and .org
I have asked to make it against the rules to advertise publicly on these forums.

Might be a good idea
I keep in contact with a few looksmax users on discord as they were the minority of users that have good takes
I could encourage them to post here as they would provide value

You think we have tictok normies on here wtf?

I was just assuming that the environment of bad posters that developed on looksmax (with the help of tiktok exposure) is an environment that would also develop here if the userbase became similar

That's over half the site, unfortunately. As well as incels, looksmax, the main wiki community, etc. I do think the white pill in particular should be divorced from all that and as such, should have new members vetted. As Warren Vidic said, "cut out the tumor, but fail to treat the source and . . . you're merely buying time at best."

I feel like a new set of theories that could be the foundation of this site could help to differentiate it from the other sites and the type of poster they attract

I think a strong critique of the blackpill and a userbase that doesn't subscribe to lazy blackpill theories may push away the low level "muh Chad doesn't have to do x" posters

 

[Truecel]

maybe the name should be changed to whitepill.something so people can find it more easily

 

[Regenerator]

Good backup forum in case the other forums get shut down.

 

[Fantasea]

maybe the name should be changed to whitepill.something so people can find it more easily

this forum isn't whitepilled tho.

 

[somethingtobelievein]

So I just caught up on the threads about this transition stuff and people not being happy with the forum and what's wrong and all that. I'm too lazy to quote directly, but I'll paraphrase what was interesting to me:

'this place was so much better at the start with just a few close knit people'

'yeah then all those fags from looks/Incel whatever came'

'now it's a glorified group chat'

'we can't go back to those other forums because we got banned'

Here's what I see: a glorified group chat is exactly what you want. The close knit group also came from those shit holes, and the bans suggest they're no better than the people there. Hell, one of the close knit besties was banned from looksmax for doxxing someone specifically to push them to suicide. Not a good guy. (Then he's gone from here because someone else is apparently doxxing him, which is hilarious to me.) but he was part of the close knit good guy group, supposedly.

The problem seems to be when people outside the group came in. The outsiders were the problem, hence it's best as a group chat with no one else. I'll say as an outsider, it's a lot of in-jokes and "I'll send you a DM" type stuff which makes it hard to engage anyway.

So what makes the forum worth keeping is to be the exclusive group chat. A discord group with more customization, I guess. Have fun.

 

[LaserGunPewPew]

The close knit group also came from those shit holes, and the bans suggest they're no better than the people there. Hell, one of the close knit besties was banned from looksmax for doxxing someone specifically to push them to suicide. Not a good guy.

It's funny you bring this up because that's why the majority of the people I've blocked were blocked.

 

[GGWP]

this forum isn't whitepilled tho.

It is a bit of an enigma. Now that the forum inheritors are Hobbit (a guy with a partner and who is in college, apparently), Magonia (or Queen Belle. Yet from his boasts he apparently easily gets women and is just here for the vibe) and Sovereign (Who, out of these three, seems to be the most intent on pursuing Whitepill with his pedagogical focus but rarely gets any interactions on his effortful posts...). I can't tell if Myst is still here, but if he is, he's a self-professed well-adjusted teenager and probably Tabula Rasa's younger brother, which doesn't lend well to the whole anti-blackpill narrative either because, let's face it, people this young can't be meaningfully 'blackpilled' when it's common to go through periods of self-doubt in teenage years as a part of finding yourself. As for Mr. Rasa, it appears that he just gave up on trying to flesh out the whitepill because he wasn't really interested in the concept. I think he just wanted to replicate the social buzz he got from when the neet forum was active.

The only admin that is meaningfully conversational in posts is Magonia, who is a self-proclaimed slayer of poontang (chad) and has no need for the 'whitepill' in the first place... Even someone like TenzenT with his power-LARPs or Two-Jei with his tumultuous attempts to incorporate Eastern Philosophy into his life would be more representative of 'whitepill principles'.

The real truth nuke is that people on this forum don't want to read high-quality, high-IQ takes about trying to find solutions to the blackpill, they are here because they want to partake in fringe internet culture and view Discord as mainstream. Let's face it, this forum is not a 'whitepill' forum. It's just a forum for the colorful and quirky personalities that migrated from other questionable forums because of waning activity or lack of finding meaningful presence. There's nothing wrong with this, because everybody has their niche, but this site could really use a rebranding in that case. Again though, it's not like there's anything wrong with having a tight-knit forum focused on banter, because not everybody is interested in the type of rigid reformation that a formalized whitepill ideology would require.

A compelling whitepill rhetoric would require us to chart a plan against biological realism, whether this be through Religious Mindset and Eastern Philosophy (Rasa, Twojei), Promethean Accelerationism (such as The Doctor's tendency to medicate genetic brain deficits with pharmacy, or on how transhuman or cultural movements could solve Inceldom, reminds me of that Mentalatte guy), or System Optimization trying to remedy biological inequality through systemic structure (Sovereign's pedagogical science and TenzenT's radical inclusivity).

I think the whitepill's uniqueness lies in acknowledging hard biological realism (unlike bluepill or redpill) but trying to use blackpill knowledge for improvement of oneself and others, rejecting traditional blackpill rhetoric that spills over into radical nihilism.

I will try and make whitepill-related posts, but why bother if most people are here to have fun instead of to pursue a new ideology? I would be preaching to a crowd that is 50% just normal dudes with lives that just so happen to be really invested in 4chan and 45% lizard-brained refugees from other forums that don't care about the principles and just come here to vent their reactivity. Maybe about 5% of the forum would be willing to genuinely invest themselves in what this forum claims to be about. Right now I just view it as a niche group to sperg out with familiar faces who've been knocking about on manosphere forums for a while.

 

[LaserGunPewPew]

Not to dick ride, but I will say that each current admin has their own style, and only one of them is actually white pill. TenzenT is decent enough socially, in that I have no bad interactions with him. But his posts don't seem effortful to me, and instead come off as schizo-rants that have no sequitir to them. Maybe I'm low IQ and they miss the mark, but I can't discern any overall point from them. Again, this isn't an attack. He's an okay enough fellow. Queen Belle on other hand, definitely doesn't come off as anyone who has success with women. I have to call that claim into question. With him, he's mostly a shitposter and troll who I ignore. I'll admit though, having had information on him and his gang on their antics on other forums I think I did well by blocking them all. I know he and his were involved in something nefarious on ss.net, so I hope that the other two admins keep his leash tight. I don't want any glowie eyes (government) taking interest in the forum. I don't know much about Sovereign. Seemingly more schizo than TenzenT. Again, no personal issues with this individual. Last but not least, you have Hobbit. This member is unquestioningly the most white pill out of all of them. Yes, he has a girlfriend and a college education that is pending, but knowing what I know about the guy, it's a well-deserved situation. It's certainly no normie or Chad-lite "I walked into some vagina" situation. I won't get into his personal affairs because it's not my story to tell, but trust me -- he has every reason to be where he's at in terms of administration here, and can unironically white pill a lot of men if they're keen to listen. He had to put in work to get where he is, something that white pill supposedly epouses.

Regarding the direction of the white pill and such, there's another problem. I personally steer away from any esoteric/mysticism about white pill philosophy. I admit, a lot of that is due to bias having grown up in theism and seeing it as a "cope" for people's transgressions and mistakes and whatnot. As someone who tends to fall heavily into rationalism, I see objective physical action as the best course of, well, action that one should take to improve themselves.

I'm not convinced this is the place to truly seek what you want. As someone who joined not from being banned from the other forums, but because I grew tired of the whining and bickering, the only solution I had left was to make a community of my own. That's where my discord comes into play. You may have to do the same, because, as you put it, this place is a shitpost festival where spergs come to hang out. Any actual white pill posts will get no interaction. It's sad, because I hoped that this forum was what incels and the wiki forum weren't. But when the dregs and washouts of those communities are banned for being too toxic (which in itself says much about these individuals), their last option is to come here and engage in their poor behavior.

 

[GGWP]

It is a bit of an enigma. Now that the forum inheritors are Hobbit (a guy with a partner and who is in college, apparently), Magonia (or Queen Belle. Yet from his boasts he apparently easily gets women and is just here for the vibe) and Sovereign (Who, out of these three, seems to be the most intent on pursuing Whitepill with his pedagogical focus but rarely gets any interactions on his effortful posts...). I can't tell if Myst is still here, but if he is, he's a self-professed well-adjusted teenager and probably Tabula Rasa's younger brother, which doesn't lend well to the whole anti-blackpill narrative either because, let's face it, people this young can't be meaningfully 'blackpilled' when it's common to go through periods of self-doubt in teenage years as a part of finding yourself. As for Mr. Rasa, it appears that he just gave up on trying to flesh out the whitepill because he wasn't really interested in the concept. I think he just wanted to replicate the social buzz he got from when the neet forum was active.

The only admin that is meaningfully conversational in posts is Magonia, who is a self-proclaimed slayer of poontang (chad) and has no need for the 'whitepill' in the first place... Even someone like TenzenT with his power-LARPs or Two-Jei with his tumultuous attempts to incorporate Eastern Philosophy into his life would be more representative of 'whitepill principles'.

The real truth nuke is that people on this forum don't want to read high-quality, high-IQ takes about trying to find solutions to the blackpill, they are here because they want to partake in fringe internet culture and view Discord as mainstream. Let's face it, this forum is not a 'whitepill' forum. It's just a forum for the colorful and quirky personalities that migrated from other questionable forums because of waning activity or lack of finding meaningful presence. There's nothing wrong with this, because everybody has their niche, but this site could really use a rebranding in that case. Again though, it's not like there's anything wrong with having a tight-knit forum focused on banter, because not everybody is interested in the type of rigid reformation that a formalized whitepill ideology would require.

A compelling whitepill rhetoric would require us to chart a plan against biological realism, whether this be through Religious Mindset and Eastern Philosophy (Rasa, Twojei), Promethean Accelerationism (such as The Doctor's tendency to medicate genetic brain deficits with pharmacy, or on how transhuman or cultural movements could solve Inceldom, reminds me of that Mentalatte guy), or System Optimization trying to remedy biological inequality through systemic structure (Sovereign's pedagogical science and TenzenT's radical inclusivity).

I think the whitepill's uniqueness lies in acknowledging hard biological realism (unlike bluepill or redpill) but trying to use blackpill knowledge for improvement of oneself and others, rejecting traditional blackpill rhetoric that spills over into radical nihilism.

I will try and make whitepill-related posts, but why bother if most people are here to have fun instead of to pursue a new ideology? I would be preaching to a crowd that is 50% just normal dudes with lives that just so happen to be really invested in 4chan and 45% lizard-brained refugees from other forums that don't care about the principles and just come here to vent their reactivity. Maybe about 5% of the forum would be willing to genuinely invest themselves in what this forum claims to be about. Right now I just view it as a niche group to sperg out with familiar faces who've been knocking about on manosphere forums for a while.

Didn't mean to come off as so scathing. Generally I have no problems with the admins on this site and they tend to be much more sensible and less inflammatory than on other forums...

 

[Queen Belle]

having had information on him and his gang on their antics on other forums I think I did well by blocking them all. I know he and his were involved in something nefarious on ss.net, so I hope that the other two admins keep his leash tight.

Whaaaat?
post receipts sir!

 

[Queen Belle]

Queen Belle on other hand, definitely doesn't come off as anyone who has success with women

@Fantasea can i be honorary now?

 

[newsincerity]

The "problem" with whitepill is that humans don't care about optimization or philosophy we care about a good story.
While @Sovereign makes quality posts they are for most part dry theorization or laying out fundamental principles that can't be argued with and are hard to discuss because of the mentioned lack of any substantial information in the form of a story.
@Tabula Rasa suffered from the same detatched style of posting which I pointed out to him.
The quality posts that are produced are mostly empty attempts at finding the best response to problem.
I fall victim to this. @Two-jay falls victim to this a bit less. @GGWP is more about commentary but he also falls victim to this.

 

[Fantasea]

@Fantasea can i be honorary now?

kek probably not. I I loved your post all the super long text above but I don't have issues with nearcels or low SMV males that struggle getting past dry spells. I can see how the whitepill can be useful for these groups too.

 

[Queen Belle]

kek probably not. I I loved your post all the super long text above but I don't have issues with nearcels or low SMV males that struggle getting past dry spells. I can see how the whitepill can be useful for these groups too.

To be white pilled one must be fully blackpilled?