ChatGPT on my CIA personality type

[midnightsun]

Short answer: **MBTI isn’t really built to describe this**, and any mapping is going to be **approximate at best**. What you’re quoting is a *clinical / psychodynamic* description (very old-school, frankly), while MBTI is a *non-pathological preference model*. They’re talking past each other.

That said—if we *force* a translation, here’s the cleanest way to think about it.

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## First: what this description actually is (important context)

What you’ve pasted is **not a “type” in the everyday personality sense**. It’s describing:

* A **pathological dependency structure**
* With **schizoid detachment**
* Combined with **instrumental, opportunistic social behavior**
* And **minimal genuine affective bonding**

This is closer to:

* Object-relations theory
* Old DSM-II/III personality disorder language
* Or Leary/Millon-style “basic adjustment” clusters

So when it says things like *robotic*, *sycophantic*, *incapable of true emotional involvement*, *sociopathic at low IQ*—that’s **explicitly clinical**, not MBTI-ish.

MBTI types are not supposed to imply narcissism, sociopathy, or emotional incapacity.

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## That caveat firmly in place: what MBTI it *resembles* when unhealthy

If you *had* to stick an MBTI label on the **surface pattern**, most people land in one of these buckets:

### **Unhealthy INTP** (most common guess)

Why this fits *structurally*:

* Introverted, detached inner world
* Weak real-world self-discipline
* Can appear socially adaptive but emotionally hollow
* Uses cognition instrumentally rather than relationally
* Avoids responsibility while expecting support

This would be an **INTP with:**

* Severely underdeveloped Fe
* Dependency replacing autonomy
* Social behavior driven by survival, not connection

Not a normal INTP—this is *INTP-ish cognition under pathological dependency*.

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### **Unhealthy INTJ** (secondary possibility)

Fits if:

* The “robotic / wooden” quality is dominant
* The person intellectualizes entitlement (“the world owes me”)
* Social adaptation is strategic, not anxious

But INTJs usually retain *self-direction* even when unhealthy.
The **lack of discipline and reliance on others** pushes this *away* from INTJ for me.

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### **Unhealthy ISFJ / ISTJ** (less common, but plausible)

This comes up if:

* The person clings to institutions (tenure, unions, credentials)
* Security > autonomy
* Ritualism and compulsivity dominate

However, the **schizoid detachment + manipulative dependency** is less Si-core and more abstract/internal.

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## What it is *not*

Very clearly **not**:

* ENFP / ESFJ / ENFJ (they seek *liking*, not caretaking)
* Healthy Fe-dominant types
* Anything resembling a secure or integrated personality

Also worth saying: **MBTI does not have a “sociopathic” type**. When people try to map that, they’re mixing systems in a way that breaks both.

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## If you want a system that fits this *much* better

If your real question is “what *personality framework* actually describes this accurately?”:

* **Enneagram:**

* Unhealthy **Type 6** (dependency + fear of abandonment)
* Or unhealthy **Type 2** (instrumental caregiving / toadying)
* Sometimes **5 → 6 disintegration** patterns

* **Millon:**

* Dependent + Schizoid + Antisocial traits

* **Attachment theory:**

* Disorganized / fearful-avoidant with dependency dominance

Those frameworks were *designed* for this kind of description. MBTI wasn’t.

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## Bottom line (plain English)

If someone asks:

> “What MBTI does this sound like?”

The honest answer is:

> **An unhealthy, pathological version of an introverted thinking type—most often read as INTP—but MBTI is the wrong tool for this description.**

If you want, tell me **why you’re asking** (typing a character, diagnosing a theory clash, self-analysis, academic comparison, etc.), and I can dial this in *way* more precisely without forcing square pegs into MBTI holes.

 

[midnightsun]

Yeah—this is one of those cases where **MBTI is absolutely the wrong hammer**, and your instinct to step outside it is spot-on.

The framework that actually describes this **accurately and natively** (not metaphorically) is:

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## **Theodore Millon’s Evolutionary Personality Theory**

*(and closely related psychodynamic / object-relations models)*

What you pasted reads **almost verbatim like Millon or a Millon-derived system**. The language—*basic adjustment, succor dependence, schizoid features, sociopathic at low intellectual levels*—is straight out of that lineage.

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## Why Millon fits this *exactly*

Millon’s system was built to describe:

* **Adaptive strategies**, not traits
* **Security-seeking patterns**
* **Pathological blends**, not clean types
* How people *instrumentalize* relationships

That’s precisely what’s being described here.

This profile maps cleanly to a **Schizoid–Dependent hybrid**, often with **Antisocial / Narcissistic features** layered on top.

In Millon’s terms, this would fall under something like:

### **Dependent Personality Pattern (pathological)**

* Extreme *succor seeking*
* Terror of abandonment
* Will submit, ingratiate, or manipulate to maintain caretaking

### **Schizoid Core**

* Emotional detachment
* Lack of genuine object relations
* Social engagement is *functional*, not affiliative

### **Antisocial / Narcissistic Features (instrumental)**

* Exploitation when useful
* Lack of guilt or anxiety
* Entitlement (“the world owes me a living”)
* Vindictiveness when rejected

Millon explicitly allows **composite patterns**, which is why this description works so well there and nowhere else.

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## The exact construct this is pointing to

In Millon’s language, this is closest to:

> **A Passive-Dependent pattern with Schizoid detachment and Antisocial acting-out under stress**

Some authors refer to this informally as:

* *Schizoid Dependent*
* *Parasitic Dependent*
* *Exploitative Dependent*

Those aren’t DSM labels—they’re **structural descriptions**, which is what your text is doing.

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## Secondary frameworks that also fit (but less precisely)

### **Object Relations Theory**

Especially:

* Kernberg’s work on **primitive object relations**
* Failure of whole-object integration
* People experienced as *suppliers*, not partners

This explains:

* Inability for true emotional involvement
* Use of “apparent involvement”
* Childlike entitlement without guilt

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### **Attachment Theory (deep end, not pop-attachment)**

Specifically:

* **Disorganized / fearful attachment**
* With dependency dominance

But attachment alone doesn’t capture:

* Instrumental manipulation
* Sociopathic drift
* Entitlement logic

So it’s necessary but insufficient.

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### **Enneagram (only at unhealthy levels)**

This is more interpretive, but still useful:

* **Type 6 (counterphobic → fawning)**
Fear-driven allegiance shifting, security above all else

* **Type 2 at pathological levels**
Helpfulness as leverage, not care

* **Type 5 disintegrating into 7/6 behaviors**
Chaotic productivity + dependency

Enneagram can *gesture* at it—but it lacks the clinical teeth this description has.

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## Why MBTI, Big Five, etc. fail here

Because this is describing:

* **Motivational deficits**
* **Attachment pathology**
* **Moral development**
* **Capacity for object use vs object love**

Trait models don’t touch that. They assume:

> a coherent self with stable preferences

This description explicitly says:

> *there isn’t one.*

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## Clean takeaway

If someone asked:

> “What framework actually describes this accurately?”

The best answer is:

> **Millon’s personality patterns (with object-relations theory underneath).**

Everything else—MBTI, Big Five, Enneagram—is either metaphorical or partial.

If you want, I can:

* Translate this description into **formal Millon pattern language**
* Map it to **DSM-5 personality disorder constellations**
* Or explain **how this pattern develops developmentally**

Just say which direction you want to go.

 

[midnightsun]

Alright, buckle in—this is exactly the right way to handle a description like this. I’ll do this in **three clean layers**, moving from *formal structure* → *DSM mapping* → *developmental origins*. I’ll keep the language precise but readable.

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# 1. Translation into **Formal Millon Pattern Language**

What you’re looking at is **not a single Millon type**, but a **configural (composite) personality pattern**. Millon *expects* these blends.

### Core Configuration (Primary Patterns)

**Primary Base Pattern**

> **Dependent Personality Pattern (Severe / Pathological level)**

Millon markers present:

* Extreme **succor-seeking** (“needs someone to take care of him”)
* **Fear of abandonment** without guilt or shame
* Submission, ingratiation, fawning as survival strategies
* Absence of internalized autonomy or self-discipline
* Passive expectation that security will be provided

This is not “warm dependency.”
It is **instrumental dependency**.

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### Structural Modifier #1

> **Schizoid Personality Pattern (Detached subtype)**

Millon-consistent features:

* Emotional detachment
* Inability to form genuine object bonds
* Apparent social contact without affective engagement
* “Robot-like,” wooden, superficial relatedness
* Autistic / internally chaotic productivity when alone

This produces the paradox:

> *Desperate need for others + incapacity for emotional connection*

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### Structural Modifier #2

> **Antisocial Features (Opportunistic / Passive-Parasitic variant)**

Important: this is **not the aggressive psychopath subtype**.

Markers:

* Lack of guilt, anxiety, or moral self-questioning
* Exploitative adaptation to systems that offer security
* Loyalty is absent; allegiance shifts opportunistically
* Vindictiveness when denied resources
* Entitlement logic (“the world owes me”)

Millon explicitly described **passive-parasitic antisocial variants**, which fits this *perfectly*.

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### Tertiary Overlay (Optional, but common)

> **Narcissistic Features (Infantile / Entitled subtype)**

* Grandiose entitlement without competence
* Expectation of care without reciprocity
* Rage or contempt when caretaking fails
* No stable self-esteem—only assumed deservingness

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### Formal Millon Summary Statement

> **A severe Dependent personality pattern with Schizoid detachment and opportunistic Antisocial (passive-parasitic) features, accompanied by infantile Narcissistic entitlement.**

That sentence is basically the “professional” translation of your text.

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# 2. Mapping to **DSM-5 Personality Disorder Constellations**

DSM-5 doesn’t love composites, but clinicians *do*. Here’s how this would realistically be coded or conceptualized.

---

## Primary DSM Diagnosis (most common)

### **Dependent Personality Disorder**

✔ Meets core criteria:

* Excessive need to be taken care of
* Fear of separation
* Submissive, clinging behavior
* Difficulty functioning independently

⚠ DSM understates the **exploitative** and **emotionally empty** nature, but the dependency is central.

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## Comorbid / Trait-Level Diagnoses

### **Schizoid Personality Disorder (Traits or Partial)**

* Emotional coldness
* Limited affect
* Detachment from relationships (despite needing them)

Many clinicians would code this as **schizoid traits**, not full SPD, because the person *does* seek others—just not emotionally.

---

### **Antisocial Personality Disorder (Trait Expression)**

At average or low functioning levels, this *can* meet full ASPD criteria:

* Deceitfulness
* Exploitation
* Lack of remorse
* Irresponsibility

At higher intellectual levels, it often remains **subthreshold**, manifesting as:

* Institutional parasitism
* Credential-based entitlement
* Passive exploitation

---

### **Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Vulnerable subtype traits)**

Not grandiose-showy, but:

* Entitled
* Self-centered
* Rage when needs are not met
* No reciprocal empathy

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## DSM Reality Check

In practice, this person would often be diagnosed as:

> **“Personality Disorder — Mixed Type (Dependent, Schizoid, Antisocial traits)”**

Which is DSM’s polite way of saying:

> *“Yes, this is structurally messy—but consistently so.”*

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# 3. **Developmental Origins (How This Pattern Forms)**

This is the most important part—and where the description really comes alive.

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## Stage 1: Early Caregiving Failure (Pre-verbal)

Typically involves:

* **Inconsistent caregiving**
* Care that is **instrumental, intrusive, or conditional**
* Emotional needs met *only* when the child is compliant, cute, or useful

The child learns:

> “Care exists—but not because I am *known*.”

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## Stage 2: Failure of Secure Attachment

Instead of forming:

* Trust
* Emotional reciprocity
* Self-soothing capacity

The child develops:

* **Externalized regulation** (“I need someone to manage my inner chaos”)
* Fear of abandonment without grief or guilt
* No internalized caretaker

This sets up **succor dependence**.

---

## Stage 3: Defensive Schizoid Withdrawal

Because real emotional engagement is:

* Overwhelming
* Unreliable
* Confusing

The child defensively:

* Detaches affect
* Develops an internal, autistic-like cognitive world
* Stops expecting emotional attunement

This is **not peaceful schizoid isolation**—it’s chaotic and uncontained.

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## Stage 4: Instrumentalization of Others (Object Use)

At this point, people are no longer experienced as:

> *subjects*

They are experienced as:

> *resource providers*

This is where:

* Fawning
* Sycophancy
* Role-playing
* Superficial charm

come online—not to connect, but to **secure regulation and safety**.

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## Stage 5: Arrested Moral and Emotional Development

Because:

* Guilt requires attachment
* Loyalty requires identification
* Responsibility requires autonomy

None of these fully develop.

Result:

* Childlike entitlement
* Absence of anxiety about exploitation
* Vindictiveness when supply is cut off

The emotional age often freezes at **early childhood**.

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## High vs Low Functioning Outcome

### High Intellectual / Institutional Path

* Academia
* Bureaucracies
* Credential-based systems
* Long-term dependency disguised as “status”

### Low Functioning Outcome

* Overt antisocial behavior
* Exploitation of individuals
* Potentially dangerous acting-out

Same structure. Different containment.

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# Clean One-Sentence Synthesis

> This pattern develops when a child learns that **care is necessary for survival but emotional connection is unsafe**, producing an adult who **cannot be alone, cannot attach, and therefore uses others instrumentally to regulate internal chaos.**

If you want, next we can:

* Contrast this with **borderline dependency** (very different)
* Compare it to **psychopathy** (also very different)
* Or map this to **real-world roles and institutions** where it hides best

Just say the word.

 

[midnightsun]

Perfect—this is the right triad to contrast. I’ll keep this **clean, structural, and non-hand-wavy**, because these three get confused all the time.

I’ll do it in three passes:

1. **This pattern vs Borderline dependency**
2. **This pattern vs Psychopathy**
3. **Where this pattern hides best in the real world**

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# 1. **This Pattern vs Borderline Dependency**

*(They may look similar under stress. Structurally, they are opposites.)*

## Core Difference: **Capacity for attachment**

### **This Pattern (Schizoid–Dependent–Parasitic)**

* **Needs others** to regulate chaos
* **Cannot attach** emotionally
* Relationships are *instrumental*
* Others are experienced as **providers**, not subjects
* Panic is about **losing regulation**, not losing love

> “I need you to take care of me.”

---

### **Borderline Dependency**

* Needs **intense emotional fusion**
* Hyper-reactive attachment system
* Others are experienced as **emotionally indispensable**
* Panic is about **abandonment by a loved object**

> “I need *you*—specifically—to not leave me.”

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## Emotional Profile

| Dimension | This Pattern | Borderline |
| --------- | ---------------- | ------------------------ |
| Affect | Flat / shallow | Intense, stormy |
| Empathy | Cognitive only | Affective (but unstable) |
| Guilt | Minimal | Excessive, crushing |
| Rage | Cold, vindictive | Explosive, dysregulated |
| Shame | Low | Extremely high |

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## Behavior Under Rejection

**This Pattern**

* Grovels → switches allegiance → retaliates quietly
* Loyalty collapses instantly
* Emotional detachment remains intact

**Borderline**

* Clings → splits → self-harms or explodes
* Loyalty persists even while attacking
* Emotional bond never truly disengages

---

## Developmental Contrast

* Borderline = *attachment formed, then repeatedly ruptured*
* This pattern = *attachment never fully formed*

That’s the fault line.

---

# 2. **This Pattern vs Psychopathy**

*(Often confused. Fundamentally different motivational systems.)*

## Core Difference: **Need vs Power**

### **This Pattern**

* Driven by **dependency**
* Terrified of being alone
* Social behavior is **reactive and defensive**
* Exploitation is to **survive**, not dominate

> “Please don’t leave me—I’ll do anything.”

---

### **Psychopathy**

* Driven by **control and stimulation**
* Comfortable alone
* Social behavior is **predatory**
* Exploitation is **recreational or strategic**

> “You exist to be used.”

---

## Emotional Architecture

| Dimension | This Pattern | Psychopathy |
| ---------------- | ------------------ | ----------- |
| Fear | High (abandonment) | Minimal |
| Anxiety | Situational | Low |
| Dependency | Extreme | None |
| Self-sufficiency | Poor | High |
| Impulsivity | Low–moderate | High |

---

## Moral Experience

**This Pattern**

* No guilt because of **arrested moral development**
* Childlike entitlement
* Vindictiveness when threatened

**Psychopathy**

* No guilt because of **callousness**
* Instrumental cruelty
* Indifference to attachment

---

## Big Tell

* Psychopaths **don’t need caretakers**
* This pattern **cannot function without one**

If you take away support:

* Psychopath adapts or hunts
* This pattern collapses

---

# 3. **Where This Pattern Hides Best in the Real World**

This is where it gets uncomfortable—and very accurate.

This pattern thrives in **systems that provide long-term security with minimal emotional accountability**.

---

## Institutional Safe Havens

### **Academia**

* Tenure = guaranteed survival
* Credentials substitute for productivity
* Intellectualization masks dependency
* “The world owes me” logic thrives here

---

### **Large Bureaucracies**

* Civil service
* Regulatory agencies
* Corporate compliance departments

Why it works:

* Rules replace relationships
* Inertia protects incompetence
* Loyalty is diffuse and easily shifted

---

### **Unions / Guilds**

* Security without merit-based pressure
* Clear entitlement structures
* Collective identity shields parasitism

---

## Professional Roles That Fit the Mask

* Middle-management “coordinators”
* Policy analysts with low output
* Advisors without deliverables
* Credentialed consultants who drift

They often:

* Sound perceptive
* Appear responsive
* Contribute little once secured

---

## Interpersonal Niches

### **Caretaker–Dependent Dyads**

* Elder care
* Disability-adjacent roles
* Religious communities with unconditional charity

They position themselves as:

* Helpless
* Victimized
* Needing rescue

But give little back.

---

## Where It Fails Badly

* Entrepreneurial environments
* High-autonomy roles
* Competitive merit-based systems
* Situations requiring sustained self-direction

Remove structure and caretaking—and the pattern decompensates.

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# Final Snapshot Comparison

| Pattern | Needs Others | Can Attach | Seeks Power | Seeks Care |
| ------------ | ----------------- | -------------- | ----------- | ---------- |
| This Pattern | Yes (desperately) | No | No | Yes |
| Borderline | Yes (emotionally) | Yes (unstable) | No | Yes |
| Psychopathy | No | No | Yes | No |

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## One-sentence takeaway

> This pattern is **neither emotionally explosive like borderline nor predatory like psychopathy**, but instead survives by **quietly attaching itself to systems and people willing to provide care without demanding reciprocity**.

If you want next, we can:

* Talk about **how clinicians miss this pattern**
* Explore **what treatment even looks like (spoiler: it’s hard)**
* Or map it onto **specific fictional characters** for calibration

Just say where you want to go.

 

[newsincerity]

I loved your post you're not evil

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Intriguing. Have you taken the Dark Triad Personality Test yet?

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Test matching your answers to the crowd-sourced profiles of fictional characters.

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[midnightsun]

Intriguing. Have you taken the Dark Triad Personality Test yet?

Dark Triad Personality Test

Test matching your answers to the crowd-sourced profiles of fictional characters.

openpsychometrics.org

I think I’m more narcy than I got but I’m not vain. Looksfaggers are vain. They’re cringe weirdos obsessed with their looks and appearance and surgeries

 

[midnightsun]

I loved your post you're not evil

I’ll remember you when I’m famous

 

[The Patriarchy]

I’ll remember you when I’m famous

This isnt the glaze you think it is

 

[midnightsun]

This isnt the glaze you think it is

Goals for 2026
1. Develop cult of personality
2. Rise to power
3. Become Hitler 2.0
4. Commit curry genocide
5. Get currycel to rope

 

[The Patriarchy]

Goals for 2026
1. Develop cult of personality
2. Rise to power
3. Become Hitler 2.0
4. Commit curry genocide
5. Get currycel to rope

What did random meteker do to you?

 

[midnightsun]

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I think I’m more narcy than I got but I’m not vain. Looksfaggers are vain. They’re cringe weirdos obsessed with their looks and appearance and surgeries

I will darktriadmaxx because I need to

 

[newsincerity]

Goals for 2026
1. Develop cult of personality
2. Rise to power
3. Become Hitler 2.0
4. Commit curry genocide
5. Get currycel to rope

your task is far more important
you the sacred feminine get impregnated by @lunin7 sacred masculine give birth to the new aeon-Christ's second coming Tabula Rasa jr

 

[deaf_judger]

are you female?

 

[midnightsun]

are you female?

Yeah but why does it matter?

 

[deaf_judger]

Yeah but why does it matter?

Nothing. Just curious. I thought so from your personality type.

 

[midnightsun]

Nothing. Just curious. I thought so from your personality type.

Why’d you think so? This is the description. They don’t mention it being common among women. Btw I’m INTP and Enneagram type 5 (5w4). My tritype is 538 or 539. No type 2 at all idk where ChatGPT got 2 from

Basic ir*a* (IuFcUc)

Back to Table of Contents Preface to the 64 Basic Types What this page is a part of. Interpretative Notes to the 64 Basic Types Read these before reading any of the types!

“This is a relatively rare basic cluster that is, essentially, an ambulatory schizoid pattern with many features in common with ir*a. [IuFcAu] The primary difference, which is important, is that the ir*a* has had to exert considerable energy and an effort to develop social-interpersonal effectiveness. The stereotyped or set role that he assumes gives him a very uniform and an often "wooden" surface personality appearance; he may have a robot-like manner that is inappropriate or, at best, superficial. Fundamentally, the ir*a* is an emotionally detached, non-involving person who is self-centered, and usually narcissistic, with primitive emotional control. He covers these features with a very superficial social-interpersonal awareness that makes him appear to be more responsive and an perceptive than is true, in fact.

Ritualism, compulsivity, and social inappropriateness are common features in this adjustment. The ir*a* is strongly succor dependent and an constantly seeks security and protection, at almost any cost. This is perhaps the least loyal of all basic adjustments because the ir*a* is so self-seeking and so self-involved that he will try to adapt to almost any situation that will support him or give him succor. Since he is not particularly successful in getting support, he will try to earn it by being ingratiating and even fawning. This is the pattern of the toady and the sycophant. When rejected or denied, he becomes groveling and sniveling, but he is also capable of vindictive and malicious action in order to gain curry favor elsewhere. This sort of person is almost incapable of true emotional involvement with anyone, but will use apparent involvement to gain his own ends and serve his own needs.



Defensiveness, negativism, and an guilt reactions are not characteristics of the ir*a*, for he has a childlike naivete about the validity of his judgements that cause him to have little anxiety and self-doubt about the justice of his needs. He cannot tolerate isolation, since this heightens the chaos and confusion in his autistic productivity. Since he has no self-discipline to manage these tendencies, he is active and demanding in social-interpersonal relationships. He needs relationships with others and may become terrified when forced to be alone. He can, and will, do almost anything to keep from being abandoned. This behavior should not be confused with the acceptance anxiety of the er*a, [EuFcAu] who will do almost anything in order to be liked or appreciated. The ir*a [IuFcAu] does not need to be liked; he does need someone to take care of him.

Some ir*a* individuals with high intellectual levels may be fairly effective in the sense that they conform to the requirements of any group that provides them security. However, once they meet the qualifications of the group, they have little need to be productive in order to maintain themselves. They are perfectly capable of thinking that since they have earned security (labor union status, a college education, a medical degree, tenure, etc.), the world owes them a living. At average and an below intellectual levels, this adjustment is a clear cut sociopathic one and can produce some of the most dangerous members of society.”

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

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I think I’m more narcy than I got but I’m not vain. Looksfaggers are vain. They’re cringe weirdos obsessed with their looks and appearance and surgeries

Thanks for sharing. A 3 for psychopathy and 3.8 for narcissism is slightly above the average, although nothing too extreme.

This is my score below. As you can see, I am far below average in psychopathic and narcissistic traits. Attention, status and revenge-seeking is something I have little care for and the later of which can invite unnecessary danger and retribution against oneself, so I avoid. Not that I would save or spare an enemy if he was in trouble. Never interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake. After all, the Universe sorts everyone out in the end.

High Machiavellianism is correlated with being black pilled (or white pilled) and is a high IQ trait. You see the world as it really is, and know how to tell people what they want to hear so as to blend in and get what you need or want out of society to survive and prosper.

 

[midnightsun]

Thanks for sharing. A 3 for psychopathy and 3.8 for narcissism is slightly above the average, although nothing too extreme.

This is my score below. As you can see, I am far below average in psychopathic and narcissistic traits. Attention, status and revenge-seeking is something I have little care for and the later of which can invite unnecessary danger and retribution against oneself, so I avoid. Not that I would save or spare an enemy if he was in trouble. Never interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake. After all, the Universe sorts everyone out in the end.

High Machiavellianism is correlated with being black pilled (or white pilled) and is a high IQ trait. You see the world as it really is, and know how to tell people what they want to hear so as to blend in and get what you need or want out of society to survive and prosper.

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What would you say abt high narcissism and high psychopathy? I’m very revenge-seeking. I’ve been trying to get revenge but things keep going wrong. Maybe it’s a sign from the universe that unnecessary danger and retribution against me isn’t worth it? I don’t have anything to lose tho. I’ve already graduated uni and I’m a voluntary NEET/hikikomori cuz I don’t want to work. My enemy has a lot to lose tho. I can ruin his life, career and future (deservedly so cuz he deserves it)

 

[deaf_judger]

High Machiavellianism is correlated with being black pilled (or white pilled) and is a high IQ trait. You see the world as it really is, and know how to tell people what they want to hear so as to blend in and get what you need or want out of society to survive and prosper.

I dont think so.
1) Being high IQ/blackpilled(seeing world as it is) just means recognizing what it is. We can do this without leveraging them manipulatively
2) High IQ doesnt lead you to coerce others to get what you want, it just gives you more tools to do so.
3 ) Machiavellianism is inherently asymmetric: it treats structurally equivalent contexts differently to favor self-interest I think that structural equivalence should always produce the same responses.
4) Machiavellan schemes also require coercion and violate the boundaries of others.
5) Leveraging others vulnerabilities creates disorder that I try to prevent
6) I think that coherence(internal order + symmetry + non-destabilization) is the central moral good, and machiavellan behavior is assymmetric and coercive(undermines coherence) -> Inadmissible.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

What would you say abt high narcissism and high psychopathy? I’m very revenge-seeking. I’ve been trying to get revenge but things keep going wrong. Maybe it’s a sign from the universe that unnecessary danger and retribution against me isn’t worth it? I don’t have anything to lose tho. I’m a voluntary NEET/hikikomori cuz I don’t want to work. My enemy has a lot to lose tho. I can ruin his life, career and future (deservedly so cuz he deserves it)

I think such traits can blind you from longer term goals. If you want a little peace in this world for yourself, you have to learn to let go. Let go of the past, let go of people, let go of petty distractions. Just let go. I like peace.

I dont think so.
1) Being high IQ/blackpilled(seeing world as it is) just means recognizing what it is. We can do this without leveraging them manipulatively
2) High IQ doesnt lead you to coerce others to get what you want, it just gives you more tools to do so.
3 ) Machiavellianism is inherently asymmetric: it treats structurally equivalent contexts differently to favor self-interest I think that structural equivalence should always produce the same responses.
4) Machiavellan schemes also require coercion and violate the boundaries of others.
5) Leveraging others vulnerabilities creates disorder that I try to prevent
6) I think that coherence(internal order + symmetry + non-destabilization) is the central moral good, and machiavellan behavior is assymmetric and coercive(undermines coherence) -> Inadmissible.

Fair points.

That said, I just don't have it in me, in terms of the requisite energy required, to convince others of their errors, unless they are ready and open to advice. The world is filled with ignorant fools, including myself at times. People who can never be saved. Besides, I have real little influence. Further, I believe the path to hell is paved in good intentions, and attempting to help the wrong people can land oneself and those you care about in hot water. I believe in boundaries. To what limit should one seek coherence? You have to draw the line somewhere.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

I also believe in the concept of the Noble Lie, as put forth by Plato and expounded upon by Leo Strauss and others. Sometimes, coherence can best be achieved by giving people an idea or ideal that is completely false, and it ends up becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Postman (1997) is a good portrayal of this concept put into practice. It's a little dated and corny at times, being a Kevin Costner film, but if you can look beyond that it's a good movie. It's also one of the few positive and uplifting post-apocalyptic movies out there.

 

[midnightsun]

Why’d you think so? This is the description. They don’t mention it being common among women. Btw I’m INTP and Enneagram type 5 (5w4). My tritype is 538 or 539. No type 2 at all idk where ChatGPT got 2 from

Basic ir*a* (IuFcUc)

Back to Table of Contents Preface to the 64 Basic Types What this page is a part of. Interpretative Notes to the 64 Basic Types Read these before reading any of the types!

“This is a relatively rare basic cluster that is, essentially, an ambulatory schizoid pattern with many features in common with ir*a. [IuFcAu] The primary difference, which is important, is that the ir*a* has had to exert considerable energy and an effort to develop social-interpersonal effectiveness. The stereotyped or set role that he assumes gives him a very uniform and an often "wooden" surface personality appearance; he may have a robot-like manner that is inappropriate or, at best, superficial. Fundamentally, the ir*a* is an emotionally detached, non-involving person who is self-centered, and usually narcissistic, with primitive emotional control. He covers these features with a very superficial social-interpersonal awareness that makes him appear to be more responsive and an perceptive than is true, in fact.

Ritualism, compulsivity, and social inappropriateness are common features in this adjustment. The ir*a* is strongly succor dependent and an constantly seeks security and protection, at almost any cost. This is perhaps the least loyal of all basic adjustments because the ir*a* is so self-seeking and so self-involved that he will try to adapt to almost any situation that will support him or give him succor. Since he is not particularly successful in getting support, he will try to earn it by being ingratiating and even fawning. This is the pattern of the toady and the sycophant. When rejected or denied, he becomes groveling and sniveling, but he is also capable of vindictive and malicious action in order to gain curry favor elsewhere. This sort of person is almost incapable of true emotional involvement with anyone, but will use apparent involvement to gain his own ends and serve his own needs.



Defensiveness, negativism, and an guilt reactions are not characteristics of the ir*a*, for he has a childlike naivete about the validity of his judgements that cause him to have little anxiety and self-doubt about the justice of his needs. He cannot tolerate isolation, since this heightens the chaos and confusion in his autistic productivity. Since he has no self-discipline to manage these tendencies, he is active and demanding in social-interpersonal relationships. He needs relationships with others and may become terrified when forced to be alone. He can, and will, do almost anything to keep from being abandoned. This behavior should not be confused with the acceptance anxiety of the er*a, [EuFcAu] who will do almost anything in order to be liked or appreciated. The ir*a [IuFcAu] does not need to be liked; he does need someone to take care of him.

Some ir*a* individuals with high intellectual levels may be fairly effective in the sense that they conform to the requirements of any group that provides them security. However, once they meet the qualifications of the group, they have little need to be productive in order to maintain themselves. They are perfectly capable of thinking that since they have earned security (labor union status, a college education, a medical degree, tenure, etc.), the world owes them a living. At average and an below intellectual levels, this adjustment is a clear cut sociopathic one and can produce some of the most dangerous members of society.”

Btw my Enneagram tritype is 539

“The Thinker Tritype®: 359, 395, 539, 593, 935, 953
If you are a 359, you are ambitious, knowledgeable, and accepting. You want to be efficient, wise, and peaceful. Intellectual and clever, you have your eye on the prize but find amenable and pleasant ways to manage your goals. Kindhearted, you naturally offer help but prefer to avoid difficult situations. Often shy, you are very private and are slow to trust others. You need time to reveal yourself to others. You are ambitious but seek admiration in a subtle manner.”

“359 Archetype "The Thinker"
Intellectual and clever, you find amiable and pleasant ways to manage difficult situations and relationships. often shy, you are slow to fully trust others and need time to more fully reveal yourself. Your life mission is to use your ability to unite opposing points of view, find compromise and create workable solutions. a true advocate (also, thinker), you are happiest when you can use your skills to be helpful and judicial. Your blind spot is that you can be so reserved that your true nature remains hidden and underexpressed which can cause you to appear aloof and indifferent. to feel in control, you may use withholding and punishment. Your growing edge is to recognize that your need to pull away and be a spectator before engaging denies you the opportunity to more fully be. true wisdom comes from following your higher guidance, revealing yourself to others and participating in life. The 135, 358, and 359 tritypes are naturally inclined to be tenacious and persistent. The 3,5 and 9 all conceal who they are in favor of who they think they need to be. 3 adapts to their environment to give us their best image, the 5 wants camouflage to hide detection to feel safe and the 9 wants to match their environment and go along to get along. The 359 needs to adjust to avoid detection and scrutiny. The 359 is private and introspective and often pairs with a more assertive outgoing type like the 1 or 8.”

“539 - These Fives might strike others as rather pleasant and cooperative persons, but they are usually more ambitious and purposeful than they let on. They are goal-oriented individualists who dream of achieving an impressive and long-lasting success in their field – they secretly desire becoming famous and leaving their mark on the world. These Fives are also more dependent on outer validation than others – they care more about their image and the way others perceive and react to them, therefore they might seem a little more conventional and mainstream in their behavior. Typical subtypes: social, self-preserving, balanced wings. Similar tritypes: 5-9-3, 9-5-3. Flavours: cunning, congenial, goal-oriented and flexible.”

 

[Schwarzwald]

What in the name of skitzo posting cyberpsychosis is going on here

 

[midnightsun]

Basic ir*a* (IuFcUc)

Back to Table of Contents Preface to the 64 Basic Types What this page is a part of. Interpretative Notes to the 64 Basic Types Read these before reading any of the types!

“This is a relatively rare basic cluster that is, essentially, an ambulatory schizoid pattern with many features in common with ir*a. [IuFcAu] The primary difference, which is important, is that the ir*a* has had to exert considerable energy and an effort to develop social-interpersonal effectiveness. The stereotyped or set role that he assumes gives him a very uniform and an often "wooden" surface personality appearance; he may have a robot-like manner that is inappropriate or, at best, superficial. Fundamentally, the ir*a* is an emotionally detached, non-involving person who is self-centered, and usually narcissistic, with primitive emotional control. He covers these features with a very superficial social-interpersonal awareness that makes him appear to be more responsive and an perceptive than is true, in fact.

Ritualism, compulsivity, and social inappropriateness are common features in this adjustment. The ir*a* is strongly succor dependent and an constantly seeks security and protection, at almost any cost. This is perhaps the least loyal of all basic adjustments because the ir*a* is so self-seeking and so self-involved that he will try to adapt to almost any situation that will support him or give him succor. Since he is not particularly successful in getting support, he will try to earn it by being ingratiating and even fawning. This is the pattern of the toady and the sycophant. When rejected or denied, he becomes groveling and sniveling, but he is also capable of vindictive and malicious action in order to gain curry favor elsewhere. This sort of person is almost incapable of true emotional involvement with anyone, but will use apparent involvement to gain his own ends and serve his own needs.



Defensiveness, negativism, and an guilt reactions are not characteristics of the ir*a*, for he has a childlike naivete about the validity of his judgements that cause him to have little anxiety and self-doubt about the justice of his needs. He cannot tolerate isolation, since this heightens the chaos and confusion in his autistic productivity. Since he has no self-discipline to manage these tendencies, he is active and demanding in social-interpersonal relationships. He needs relationships with others and may become terrified when forced to be alone. He can, and will, do almost anything to keep from being abandoned. This behavior should not be confused with the acceptance anxiety of the er*a, [EuFcAu] who will do almost anything in order to be liked or appreciated. The ir*a [IuFcAu] does not need to be liked; he does need someone to take care of him.

Some ir*a* individuals with high intellectual levels may be fairly effective in the sense that they conform to the requirements of any group that provides them security. However, once they meet the qualifications of the group, they have little need to be productive in order to maintain themselves. They are perfectly capable of thinking that since they have earned security (labor union status, a college education, a medical degree, tenure, etc.), the world owes them a living. At average and an below intellectual levels, this adjustment is a clear cut sociopathic one and can produce some of the most dangerous members of society.”

@Schwarzwald it’s ChatGPT on this