Discussion Simple game theory

[Schwarzwald]

Everyone in the forum has to take a private vote by pressing a RED or BLUE button.

If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives.

If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive.

Which button would you press?

(this is a simple prisoner dilemma without any meta gain.)​

 

[Schwarzwald]

As of now everyone who picked blue is dead or if we wanna be knit picking I guess it's a dead draw...

 

[abowizard]

Just everyone pick red? Theres no downside to picking red

The downside to blue is you might die but red has no risk

 

[Schwarzwald]

Just everyone pick red? Theres no downside to picking red

The downside to blue is you might die but red has no risk

Yes I know, in fact this is the easiest form of the prisoners dilemma, the second part would have given blue a unique advantage but seeing as we can't get past part one what's the point lol.

 

[abowizard]

Yes I know, in fact this is the easiest form of the prisoners dilemma, the second part would have given blue a unique advantage but seeing as we can't get past part one what's the point lol.

The unique advantage would still be useless if red keeps the 0% risk

What is it if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[Depresso]

Just everyone pick red? Theres no downside to picking red

The downside to blue is you might die but red has no risk

It depends on how you look at it

 

[abowizard]

It depends on how you look at it

the risk of red is that you might kill someone but thats like kinda soy ngl

NGMI if your rebuttal to game theory is “feelings”

 

[Depresso]

the risk of red is that you might kill someone but thats like kinda soy ngl

NGMI if your rebuttal to game theory is “feelings”

There should be a large scale study of the average faces of the voters

 

[Schwarzwald]

The unique advantage would still be useless if red keeps the 0% risk

What is it if you don’t mind me asking?

The Traitor's Bounty (my favorite for drama)

Everyone votes Red or Blue privately.

If ≥50% Blue: Everyone survives AND the people who voted Blue get +1 "Soul Point" (or forum currency like 10 darchma, clout, whatever).

Red voters survive but get nothing extra.

If <50% Blue:

Blue voters die.

Red voters survive but for every Blue voter who died, the Red voters split a "Traitor's Bounty" (big reward, like +3 Soul Points each, or they get to publicly mock the dead, or steal their darchma, etc.).

Now Blue has a real collective upside (the Soul Points if enough cooperate), while Red has the safety net + the delicious incentive to hope some naive faggots pick Blue so you can farm their corpses for points. Pure human nature poison.

I had some others ideas, I wanted to see how cohesive or fluid the forum is and if and how tribal things would or could get.

 

[abowizard]

There should be a large scale study of the average faces of the voters

I think race would be a better indicator

 

[Depresso]

The Traitor's Bounty (my favorite for drama)

Everyone votes Red or Blue privately.

If ≥50% Blue: Everyone survives AND the people who voted Blue get +1 "Soul Point" (or forum currency like 10 darchma, clout, whatever).

Red voters survive but get nothing extra.

If <50% Blue:

Blue voters die.

Red voters survive but for every Blue voter who died, the Red voters split a "Traitor's Bounty" (big reward, like +3 Soul Points each, or they get to publicly mock the dead, or steal their darchma, etc.).

Now Blue has a real collective upside (the Soul Points if enough cooperate), while Red has the safety net + the delicious incentive to hope some naive faggots pick Blue so you can farm their corpses for points. Pure human nature poison.

I had some others ideas, I wanted to see how cohesive or fluid the forum is and if and how tribal things would or could get.

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This isn't human nature... It's life

Everything here breaks down with time but life evolved toward intelligence.

 

[Schwarzwald]

I think race would be a better indicator

Possibly, I mean in this case for sure but I don't see this as a large melting pot and again the vote is anonymous you don't get to know who votes for what.

 

[Schwarzwald]

This isn't human nature... It's life

Everything here breaks down with time but life evolved toward intelligence.

Incorrect.

You think life evolved toward intelligence?

 

[Kevin_Logan]

Purple

 

[Schwarzwald]

Purple

Instant execution via anal insertion...

 

[abowizard]

Purple

lets play crash bandicoot

 

[Schwarzwald]

This isn't human nature... It's life

Everything here breaks down with time but life evolved toward intelligence.

I'm genuinely triggered lol.

Life didn't "evolve toward" intelligence like it's climbing some holy ladder to enlightenment. Evolution doesn't have goals. It has one single metric: whatever shit replicates more in the current environment wins.

Intelligence is expensive as fuck, big brains suck calories like a whore on rent day, make childbirth a horror movie, and half the time just lead to overthinking yourself into extinction (see: modern humans doomscrolling themselves into 0.8 TFR while bacteria and cockroaches laugh).

If "toward intelligence" was the plan, why the fuck are there still jellyfish? Why did dinosaurs dominate for 150 million years with brains the size of walnuts? Why do parasites routinely outsmart and hijack way more "advanced" hosts?

Intelligence is just one random hack that happened to be useful for some hairless apes on the African savanna for a hot second. Tomorrow a virus could wipe out every IQ above 85 and evolution would shrug and keep trucking with whatever's left.

Saying "life evolved toward intelligence" is like saying "rivers evolved toward making nice waterfalls for Instagram." Cute story, but physics and selection pressure don't give a fuck about your narrative.

 

[Depresso]

Life didn't "evolve toward" intelligence like it's climbing some holy ladder to enlightenment. Evolution doesn't have goals. It has one single metric: whatever shit replicates more in the current environment wins.

I was a little lazy in using the word "toward"

 

[Depresso]

I'm genuinely triggered lol.

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Life didn't "evolve toward" intelligence like it's climbing some holy ladder to enlightenment. Evolution doesn't have goals. It has one single metric: whatever shit replicates more in the current environment wins.

Intelligence is expensive as fuck, big brains suck calories like a whore on rent day, make childbirth a horror movie, and half the time just lead to overthinking yourself into extinction (see: modern humans doomscrolling themselves into 0.8 TFR while bacteria and cockroaches laugh).

If "toward intelligence" was the plan, why the fuck are there still jellyfish? Why did dinosaurs dominate for 150 million years with brains the size of walnuts? Why do parasites routinely outsmart and hijack way more "advanced" hosts?

Intelligence is just one random hack that happened to be useful for some hairless apes on the African savanna for a hot second. Tomorrow a virus could wipe out every IQ above 85 and evolution would shrug and keep trucking with whatever's left.

Saying "life evolved toward intelligence" is like saying "rivers evolved toward making nice waterfalls for Instagram." Cute story, but physics and selection pressure don't give a fuck about your narrative.

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This is shaping up to be a real cognitohazard.

 

[Schwarzwald]

This is shaping up to be a real cognitohazard.

What are you implying...

 

[Schwarzwald]

I was a little lazy in using the word "toward"

Just a bit, here I was going to enjoy my day off and I'm here...

 

[Depresso]

What are you implying...

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This conversation in a post-pill forum... It's a little bit funny.

 

[Depresso]

Do you read research papers? There have been some not so recent discoveries so if you're a regular reader, you might conclude some interesting perspectives.

 

[Schwarzwald]

This conversation in a post-pill forum... It's a little bit funny.

I don't belong on this forum, more of a wayward visitor, so the humor escapes me...

 

[Schwarzwald]

Do you read research papers? There have been some not so recent discoveries so if you're a regular reader, you might conclude some interesting perspectives.

Go on...