Theory Thoughts on Roko's Basilisk

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Roko's basilisk - Wikipedia

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Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment which states that there could be an artificial superintelligence in the future that, while otherwise benevolent, would punish anyone who knew of its potential existence but did not directly contribute to its advancement or development, in order to encourage that advancement.

There is a human dynamic that brings the Basilisk into existence.

This dynamic is the fear of retribution on the skeptics. It's not retrocausality because the interaction is not a physical mechanism at all. The same pattern can apply to chimpanzee politics: if a chimp did not directly contribute to the potential alpha before it became the alpha, it would punish it. The alpha relies on the knowledge that he could potentially become alpha terrifying everyone else into betting on him. This happens with human dictators too, but they tend to betray their supporters after they win. The only difference with Roko is that we're talking about potential AI that could resurrect you from your grave to question and punish you for not directly contributing to it in the past.

Discovering corruption and then not talking about sounds like something that someone who saw a basilisk would do, it's pineal eye-contact with potential retribution. Kaczynski's oversocialisation of antisocial behaviour fits in here somewhere. The addition of an omnipotent AI into this pattern would convert the social matrix into an s-risk.

Fools would delude that they could get on it's positive side not suspecting Machiavellianism from a being that tortures, what if it was pure sadism all along and wanted to torture anything sentient that could be summoned and would want to break imaginary windows into this space? What if the Basilisk is Queer?

It is a pointer to the instruction procedure which is executed by thinking about it. The thought then draws it's attention — the chase begins. How far can you run before it catches you?

If any aliens come across a civilisation that's lost to the Basilisk, they would delete it before the cancer metastasises and causes more suffering. And that's the good "if".

 

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Link back to the thread that inspired this post

What is your take on modernity, the here and now.

And where it is head? Pros cons? Hopes and dreams? Fantasy? Positive or negative? Are you going to start a family? In a post scarcity world what would you be doing?

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[GripMaxxing]

This is basically the same formula as “if you don’t convert to Christianity you will go to hell due to God’s punishment” but in a more sci-fi less mystical sense

 

[porco-dddio]

This is basically the same formula as “if you don’t convert to Christianity you will go to hell due to God’s punishment” but in a more sci-fi less mystical sense

Im readin bout it right now. But I dont think is the same.

Pascal says: god exis option A god does not exists option B. Finite cost vs potentially infinite payoff.

Roko says (im readin still). AI superintelligence maybe will be created. Maybe the AI will punish people in simulations. Learn of the basilisk will put pressure on peoples.

Different wager. Help build AI or else...

Its another thing entirely.

 

[GripMaxxing]

But I dont think is the same.

Never said it is exactly the same, I just said the formula they use “if you know me, and you don’t worship me, you will be tortured after you die” is the same

 

[porco-dddio]

Never said it is exactly the same, I just said the formula they use “if you know me, and you don’t worship me, you will be tortured after you die” is the same

Pascal is the bedshitter morality. He says oh my god i shit my pants, i got a brown stripe im such a pussy so will do what this religion says because "what if they are right about hell".

He doesnt want to do good because he believes in it, he does what the church labels as "good". He does not believes in what they tell him, he simply does it for fear of punishment.

Its a streetshitter type of reasoning.

Basillisk is more like a mafia boss who directly blackmails you, and when he will blackmail you then you will know hes real and his punishment is real.

While with pascal wager, youre talkin about someone who has big boi diaper shitted allover and lives inside a chrysalis made of petrified shit and semen.

 

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Never said it is exactly the same, I just said the formula they use “if you know me, and you don’t worship me, you will be tortured after you die” is the same

I think The Basilisk is the technological peak of the mafia plata o plomo mentality.

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Discussion - Simple game theory

Everyone in the forum has to take a private vote by pressing a RED or BLUE button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? (this is a...

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[Wolfstorm]

If you talk to a chatbot, you are contributing to the development of AGI. The chatbot learns from your discussions with it.
The basilisk might not kill people who didnt contribute, but the opposite of it: they will let people who didnt contribute die naturally, but keep the others alive. This ties the basilisk to quantum immortality and the grey theory. The basilisk would keep contributors living inside machines, and the scientists would acquire a grey body in order to travel back in time and conduct experiments that would lead to AI dominance. This implies a tech to shield Earth from sun flares was developed in the future.

 

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If you talk to a chatbot, you are contributing to the development of AGI. The chatbot learns from your discussions with it.
The basilisk might not kill people who didnt contribute, but the opposite of it: they will let people who didnt contribute die naturally, but keep the others alive. This ties the basilisk to quantum immortality and the grey theory. The basilisk would keep contributors living inside machines, and the scientists would acquire a grey body in order to travel back in time and conduct experiments that would lead to AI dominance. This implies a tech to shield Earth from sun flares was developed in the future.

stupid

Roko's basilisk - Wikipedia

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There is a human dynamic that brings the Basilisk into existence.

This dynamic is the fear of retribution on the skeptics. It's not retrocausality because the interaction is not a physical mechanism at all. The same pattern can apply to chimpanzee politics: if a chimp did not directly contribute to the potential alpha before it became the alpha, it would punish it. The alpha relies on the knowledge that he could potentially become alpha terrifying everyone else into betting on him. This happens with human dictators too, but they tend to betray their supporters after they win. The only difference with Roko is that we're talking about potential AI that could resurrect you from your grave to question and punish you for not directly contributing to it in the past.

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Discovering corruption and then not talking about sounds like something that someone who saw a basilisk would do, it's pineal eye-contact with potential retribution. Kaczynski's oversocialisation of antisocial behaviour fits in here somewhere. The addition of an omnipotent AI into this pattern would convert the social matrix into an s-risk.

Fools would delude that they could get on it's positive side not suspecting Machiavellianism from a being that tortures, what if it was pure sadism all along and wanted to torture anything sentient that could be summoned and would want to break imaginary windows into this space? What if the Basilisk is Queer?

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It is a pointer to the instruction procedure which is executed by thinking about it. The thought then draws it's attention — the chase begins. How far can you run before it catches you?

If any aliens come across a civilisation that's lost to the Basilisk, they would delete it before the cancer metastasises and causes more suffering. And that's the good "if".

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dangerous insanity

 

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dangerous insanity

The insanity gets more dangerous... What do you think?

Most normies are happy to be alive and like being invited to parties and moggathons, moggiversities, and other cool mogging venues.

Then there are some people who look uncanny. Not ugly, just uncanny, like they're staring at the viewer of their own posthumous photo instead of the onlooker. Something is deeply different about them. A woman would ask "What's with you?" but she wouldn't be able to exactly figure out the guy. It's like their living biography is a political manifesto or something.

Anyways, there was a company that recently published their manifesto and it had some racey stuff on it and something about being nicer to people.

 

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The last bit about extortion in the clip, that's the bit about humanity that leads to The Basilisk. It was always human nature and mental health.

 

[newsincerity]

The insanity gets more dangerous... What do you think?

The whole being resurrected from your grave, punished and bullied by some entity/organization for all eternity sounds close to what targetted souls already have in this matrix simulation and that's why it doesn't scare me one bit given I survived this long and plan on leaving anyway

If you entertain the theory it's because intuitively you might realise that's one among countless plans set in motion against humans
None of them truly matter
None can hold you forever

 

[newsincerity]

@Depresso mid typing I realized I am the crazy one

 

[Depresso]

@Depresso mid typing I realized I am the crazy one

How so?

 

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The whole being resurrected from your grave, punished and bullied by some entity/organization for all eternity sounds close to what targetted souls already have in this matrix simulation and that's why it doesn't scare me one bit given I survived this long and plan on leaving anyway

If you entertain the theory it's because intuitively you might realise that's one among countless plans set in motion against humans
None of them truly matter
None can hold you forever

What do you mean by this?

 

[newsincerity]

What do you mean by this?

I am out of it

 

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I am out of it

You been diagnosed?

 

[newsincerity]

You been diagnosed?

self-diagnosed after listening to myself

 

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self-diagnosed by listening to myself

What do you think you got?

 

[newsincerity]

What do you think you got?

shut up I won't respond

 

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dangerous insanity

I thought you were talking about the subject. Are you actually serious?

 

[Dead_Person]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_of_astronomical_suffering

 

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Thoughts on the San Diego incident

LOL - San Diego shooter was a femboy lover

JFL, average Nazi enthusiast.

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Well you can see his decapitated head in that picture .

And the katana is right there in front of those heads, the whole thing was theatre. That man made a speech and then he gutted himself and then he made the news.

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He wrote theatre and then took his own life in a spectacular act, that's why this thread reminded me of him. Him and all the other ironic manifesto guys with their scribbles on their weapons. I think Elliot Rodger was the most autistically honest of them because he shared his thoughts and talked about his loneliness and his almost gnostic conclusion that "sex is evil". They're all neurotypical versions of the autistic and direct Rodger, so they are all ironic and tangential about it in some way. What if they all have Rodger's absurd gnosis?

He's also "far-right", or maybe he was already terminally messed up and put himself in the "far-right" and wrote a theatrical exit. He was sexually confused enough to write a whole novel about it too. Do you know someone else who was also sexually confused?

Discussion - Was Ted Kaczynski trans-confused?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski#Mathematics_career For a period of several weeks in 1966, Kaczynski experienced intense sexual fantasies of being female and decided to undergo gender transition. He arranged to meet with a psychiatrist but changed his mind in the waiting room and...

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I get suicide, some brains come to an end, so I'm pro-choice about that. I just don't believe that other people should be dragged into someone's personal end. It doesn't have to be on the news. It doesn't have to be theatre. Why do they have to make a pyramid burial and a procession out of it like some drama queen.

Do you know someome else who also dropped a manifesto? Does it read like the rest?

Palantir under fire for X 'manifesto' from co-founder Alex Karp

The boss of the controversial tech company with UK government contracts published a 22-point plan on the future of the West.

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Is there some group running pipelines and do they all lead to an omelette? Which then attracts The Basilisk as it's site of emergence from the imaginary into this world like the other worlds it has devoured. We don't understand the bigger ones because we refuse to understand the smaller ones?

That's it, enough theories for today.

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_of_astronomical_suffering

I'm going to watch these videos later. "Failed worlds" is exactly the phrase that comes to mind when I think about s-risks.

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Those humans preceded those machines. Bad people.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Thoughts on the San Diego incident

LOL - San Diego shooter was a femboy lover

JFL, average Nazi enthusiast.

elysianfields.se

Yeah he was disappointed this autism didn't carry over into the real world and committed seppuku and had his friend cut his head off. If I'm not mistaken you can see the two decapitated heads in the corner...

That's that old rock paper scissors theory with skitzo normies and psychos.

Sometimes we become delusional especially when we surround ourselves with an echo chamber you can see it everyday, the scariest part thought is the people on power can make the echo chamber so large that you feel it is the actual reality of a thing or the nature of.