Discussion Abortion Is Evil

[Foidkiller]

Every man was once a fetus, but not every fetus becomes a man, this is just a clear logical error you're making.

and not every 15 year old becomes a 25 year old, I think we should start aborting them by slipping poison pills in their food, it only leads to slowly bleeding out after all.

 

[newsincerity]

Self-induced miscarriage = Abortion.
A Fetus is a Child, Member of the Human Species, & a Living Member of such Species. Just as you are, just as I.

View attachment 10223View attachment 10224

Birth Control Pills dosent kill a fetus in 1st Trimester. They only prevent fertilization ( Sperm - into > Egg )

Treat the Influenza w/ Antibotics or get treatment. Like Sepsis or any other complication. An Abortion isn't a necessity ever. In few cases; c-section, then treatment.

Then theres no fetus present. You wouldnt get an abortion, you just wouldnt have kids.

All we're standing for is the simple. Give them the right to life. No logical incongruency.

I've had enough of these people. They're a bunch of christian murdering scum that run giant death factories keeping babies alive and selling their bodyparts.
What more do you need to know about these people? I go out and face these scum. They literally crawl out from under rocks. They have green-looking skin and they run around screaming "we love satan we want to eat babies!"

 

[Foidkiller]

I've had enough of these people. They're a bunch of christian murdering scum that run giant death factories keeping babies alive and selling their bodyparts.
What more do you need to know about these people? I go out and face these scum. They literally crawl out from under rocks. They have green-looking skin and they run around screaming "we love satan we want to eat babies!"

I can tell who it is without even knowing.
And that's a bad thing.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman]

I've had enough of these people. They're a bunch of christian murdering scum that run giant death factories keeping babies alive and selling their bodyparts.
What more do you need to know about these people? I go out and face these scum. They literally crawl out from under rocks. They have green-looking skin and they run around screaming "we love satan we want to eat babies!"

Jews want you to kill your children. Their systematically wiping out us goys by our own hands. By brainwashing us to devalue the lives of our own Children in Utero & convincing Goy Women to hate the very concept of a family. Jewish people created the 1st "Abortion clinic". Planned Parenthood is a Temple of Evil to sacrifice more Goys to Netanyahu [ DAJJAL ]

 

[Lux]

Self-induced miscarriage = Abortion.

yes this is what I said

A Fetus is a Child, Member of the Human Species, & a Living Member of such Species. Just as you are, just as I.

I mean your definition of child is pretty unique and broad at that point.

Birth Control Pills dosent kill a fetus in 1st Trimester. They only prevent fertilization ( Sperm - into > Egg )

I'm talking about a pharmaceutical like mifepristone

Treat the Influenza w/ Antibotics or get treatment. Like Sepsis or any other complication. An Abortion isn't a necessity ever. In few cases; c-section, then treatment.

You misunderstand I was stating that this happens and this can cause a spontaneous miscarriage- a common occurrence and parallel process to an induced miscarriage (abortion). you can't treat influenza with antibiotics because it's a virus.

Then theres no fetus present. You wouldnt get an abortion, you just wouldnt have kids.

Sorry i meant the embryo (which would be the subject of abortion in the first trimester). The Embryo can definitely implant in the uterus and then be susceptible to further issues from lack of progesterone or random polyp or something. Fun side note they can also be vitrified and kept in storage almost indefinitely which is common in ivf where then many of them are manually transferred into the uterus.

All we're standing for is the simple. Give them the right to life. No logical incongruency.

the argument: If embryo, then man.
Can be expressed as:
∀x (E(x) → M(x))
E(x): x is an embryo
M(x): x is a man (person)

Counterexample (miscarriage):
∃x (E(x) ∧ ¬M(x))
→ Some embryos are not men (they never develop into people).

Therefore:
The statement “if embryo, then man” is false, because miscarriages show embryos can exist without ever becoming persons.

 

[Lux]

and not every 15 year old becomes a 25 year old, I think we should start aborting them by slipping poison pills in their food, it only leads to slowly bleeding out after all.

False equivalency

 

[Lux]

There are definitely valid arguments for making abortion illegal it really bothers me that pro-lifers use this invalid one that all abortion is murder.

The good argument imo is that if you cut off methods of preventing unwanted pregnancy then people will make different mating decisions because sex and procreation once again become aligned processes and then we have a less promiscuous society.

 

[Foidkiller]

There are definitely valid arguments for making abortion illegal it really bothers me that pro-lifers use this invalid one that all abortion is murder.

So if my mom killed me that's not murder. Okay.

The good argument imo is that if you cut off methods of preventing unwanted pregnancy then people will make different mating decisions because sex and procreation once again become aligned processes and then we have a less promiscuous society.

That's commie bullshit.
May as well tax single mothers at that point, and abolish marriage, it would be a better way to achieve what you're trying to get.
The only thing I'm arguing in favor of is non-aggression principle. And this means it's ethical to blow a doctor's brains off with a sniper rifle if you caught him in the act of trying to abort a child because it would prevent an aggression on somebody else's property (self owned body).

 

[Lux]

So if my mom killed me that's not murder. Okay.

Yes. If your mom killed you back when you were an embryo before you became a person that is not murder because murder is the process of ending another persons life. You had not yet become a person. Many embryos never become people.

May as well tax single mothers at that point, and abolish marriage, it would be a better way to achieve what you're trying to get.

idk about "abolishing miscarriage" or what you mean by that but yeah taxing single mothers would create the right kind of Incentive structure it just creates other ethical issues where you are punishing people who may be essentially victims.

he only thing I'm arguing in favor of is non-aggression principle. And this means it's ethical to blow a doctor's brains off with a sniper rifle if you caught him in the act of trying to abort a child because it would prevent an aggression on somebody else's property (self owned body).

You're making the logical error of equating an embryo with a person again

 

[Lux]

I think my biology background changed my stance on this a fair amount there are just so many Embryo's that have been preserved and are then used for experiments or ivf or just left in preservation. You can easily make one in lab by putting a sperm and egg together and this thing never has the chance of becoming a person or anything resembling that it's just cells. Women bleed these things out all the time and never even notice it let alone morne some child's potential life lost.
I just ran the math it's 1/4 of women who have a miscarriage and never even notice

This murder argument is like saying your sperm has the potential to become a person and therefore when you bust a nut and kill all your sperm which are living with human DNA you committed murder. Same chain of logic.

 

[newsincerity]

Women can't choose what's good for them and society
Arguing for abortion is giving women choice which always end terribly
White liberal women in the west hate their own race and want white men to be slaves to ethnics in their own countries
Women should shut up
Men should stop cucking and voting should be only for men who are high T

 

[Lux]

Women can't choose what's good for them and society
Arguing for abortion is giving women choice which always end terribly
White liberal women in the west hate their own race and want white men to be slaves to ethnics in their own countries
Women should shut up
Men should stop cucking and voting should be only for men who are high T

See this is the better argument unironically jfl

 

[Foidkiller]

See this is the better argument unironically jfl

You're just a peepee poopoo head.

 

[Xuelian Baijie]

If she swallows the cummies, is she evil?

 

[Ultimate Subhuman]

I mean your definition of child is pretty unique and broad at that point.

I sent you the definition for a child. A human being in Utero falls under the definition thus is a child.

I'm talking about a pharmaceutical like mifepristone

Then thats not "the pill" thats just a medically induced abortion

You misunderstand I was stating that this happens and this can cause a spontaneous miscarriage- a common occurrence and parallel process to an induced miscarriage (abortion). you can't treat influenza with antibiotics because it's a virus.

I meant *Antibodies

the argument: If embryo, then man.
Can be expressed as:
∀x (E(x) → M(x))
E(x): x is an embryo
M(x): x is a man (person)

Counterexample (miscarriage):
∃x (E(x) ∧ ¬M(x))
→ Some embryos are not men (they never develop into people).

Therefore:
The statement “if embryo, then man” is false, because miscarriages show embryos can exist without ever becoming persons.

Nope. Man (Human) isnt separate from Embryo. They're human.

The difference between a man to you & man to me is that you hold some sort of arbitrary idea of at one point you are somehow "Developed" and then one point you are "Not Developed" and devoid of value. It isnt a lightswitch n*gga. Human beings are in a constant state of development throughout the course of your lifetime. From Utero, to Infancy, to Adolescence, to Juvenile, to Adulthood, to Geriatric. It never stops - until death. This constant state is set in motion from conception ( Since; Human life begins at conception ). To die of natural causes &/or to be murdered whether in or out of utero is one & the same to me.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman]

If she swallows the cummies, is she evil?

Gametes ~ Sperm is Non-life
Embryo/Fetus ~ is Life

I'm on No-Fap but sploodge all you want your not harming anybody

 

[Ultimate Subhuman]

This murder argument is like saying your sperm has the potential to become a person and therefore when you bust a nut and kill all your sperm which are living with human DNA you committed murder. Same chain of logic.

You just totally misinterpreted everything I said

 

[Xuelian Baijie]

Gametes ~ Sperm is Non-life
Embryo/Fetus ~ is Life

I'm on No-Fap but sploodge all you want your not harming anybody

We should promote this based form of abortion then

 

[Lux]

I sent you the definition for a child. A human being in Utero falls under the definition thus is a child.

Then thats not "the pill" thats just a medically induced abortion

I meant *Antibodies

Nope. Man (Human) isnt separate from Embryo. They're human.
View attachment 10232
The difference between a man to you & man to me is that you hold some sort of arbitrary idea of at one point you are somehow "Developed" and then one point you are "Not Developed" and devoid of value. It isnt a lightswitch n*gga. Human beings are in a constant state of development throughout the course of your lifetime. From Utero, to Infancy, to Adolescence, to Juvenile, to Adulthood, to Geriatric. It never stops - until death. This constant state is set in motion from conception ( Since; Human life begins at conception ). To die of natural causes &/or to be murdered whether in or out of utero is one & the same to me.

Quoted from a review article published by two philosophy phdtards out of a catholic university.

If "whole human beings" are formed the moment the sperm and egg meet and get the full 46 chromosomes (like they assert) then by this definition a zygote is a human being. 75% of human beings die automatically. plan B is abortion. People with chromosomal deficiencies aren't human beings.

Gametes ~ Sperm is Non-life

They are living cells definitionally.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman]

Quoted from a review article published by two philosophy phdtards out of a catholic university.

If "whole human beings" are formed the moment the sperm and egg meet and get the full 46 chromosomes (like they assert) then by this definition a zygote is a human being. 75% of human beings die automatically. plan B is abortion. People with chromosomal deficiencies aren't human beings.

I don't care for Phtards. And value I attribute to Human life isnt bent on Chromosomal development. I believe that Humans have equal inherent value; regardless of anything.
.
But read bro. If I said that SPERM is HUMAN LIFE yeah - "75% of Human beings die automatically" ( This is talking about the Probability of Conception / ~25-35% is the cumulative chance of a sperm meeting the egg ) and Yes Plan B would be Abortion. But evidently, if you read anything. That isnt what I asserted at all.

They are living cells definitionally.

Yet, One meets ALL Criteria of life. One Dosen't.

The boogers I pick, the spit I spat, the pee I drink, or the blood I bleed is as "alive" as my sperm.

 

[Lux]

"75% of Human beings die automatically" ( This is talking about the Probability of Conception / ~25-35% is the cumulative chance of a sperm meeting the egg )

This is not what I was talking about you misunderstand. I was talking about the zygote before it implants in the uterine lining. It is estimated up to 70% of fertilized eggs or zygotes do not implant and therefore die. I factored miscarriages into the previous number as well. Plan B has a secondary mechanism of preventing the zygote from implanting.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman]

This is not what I was talking about you misunderstand. I was talking about the zygote before it implants in the uterine lining. It is estimated up to 70% of fertilized eggs or zygotes do not implant and therefore die. I factored miscarriages into the previous number as well. Plan B has a secondary mechanism of preventing the zygote from implanting.

I guess im just an utter retard that keeps misunderstanding lol

Heres the rebuttal again.

Still, the value I attribute to Human life isnt bent on Chromosomes; we have inherent equal value. Miscarriages are a natural processes beyond the will of the mother. I would also not have contention with a zygote not being able to achieve implantation - its again a natural processes. And you have a complete misconception of Plan B.

 

[Lux]

And you have a complete misconception of Plan B.

From a biological perspective the high level of progestin released by plan B thins the uterine lining, which should make it inhospitable for implantation. If u know about the female cycle generally when the uterine wall thins and sheds no egg is getting implanted it's a turnover period.

Still, the value I attribute to Human life isnt bent on Chromosomes; we have inherent equal value. Miscarriages are a natural processes beyond the will of the mother. I would also not have contention with a zygote not being able to achieve implantation - its again a natural processes. And you have a complete misconception of Plan B.

If you 100% believe "natural" deaths are inherently less tragic and hold different moral value to unnatural deaths despite being of the exact same physical mechanism and that zygotes are people with equivalent value to a child I think our premises are completely different & there is no point in debating anymore but this was fun.

 

[newsincerity]

they just keep going

 

[Ultimate Subhuman]

If you 100% believe "natural" deaths are inherently less tragic and hold different moral value to unnatural deaths despite being of the exact same physical mechanism and that zygotes are people with equivalent value to a child I think our premises are completely different & there is no point in debating anymore but this was fun.

You misunderstood me. I never said these deaths hold different moral value. You CANNOT have contention with a death of natural causes. If someone were to take the life of someone else I can obviously have contention with that. It is still loss of life regardless I'm gonna mourn both. If a women were to miscarry and if a women were to get an abortion I would mourn both deaths lol. One I can definitively say is the taking of human life and one is a natural processes beyond our control.

A 90yr old mans lungs collapse and he suffocates to death - this is Natural Causes. If I was 20yrs old & lets say a n*gga crushed my lungs, causing them to collapse & I suffocate to death - that is homicide.

And yeah I agree; if I, 96% of Biologists, & the majority of institutions have come to the consensus that Human Life begins at conception and you dont for some reason thats alright. And if you also dont affirm that all human life is equally & inherently valuable thats alright. I'm not gonna press you to justify something like that

Biologists from 1,058 academic institutions around the world assessed survey items on when a human's life begins and, overall, 96% affirmed the fertilization view.